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The failings of capital punishment: Indonesia executes the traffickers : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 30/4/2015

Australia's politicians were adamant in mucking in the emotional stakes for Chan and Sukamaran, but indifferent to citizens caught in the so called 'war on terror'.

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These people were convicted drug traffickers, no one was questioning their guilt, and everyone knows what they penalties can be in Indonesia.

This only become an issues because the people in question found god in goal and the happy clappers got organised and started lobbing the Pollies. I wonder if they would have lobbied so hard if these guys were peado's

In the end it's easy for Australians not to be executed by Indonesia. Don't smuggle drugs into or out of Indonesia. Its that easy, but if you do then you will be subject to their law, which they have every right to determine for themselves.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 30 April 2015 11:25:03 AM
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There is a simple message as an outcome of these executions.

"See what happens if you are stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Indonesia. If you are caught, no one can help you!"
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Thursday, 30 April 2015 12:02:34 PM
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Maybe if we were to apply the same standards and lethal consequences to people trafficking, and for the same reason; namely how many lives it costs, that we know of?

Maybe a people trafficking compliant Indonesia, would finally see just how futile prohibition really is?

Moreover, these men were killed for trafficking drugs through Indonesia to Australia!

And given we are a sovereign nation, and where the actual drugs were actually headed; shouldn't we have had a say how these men were punished.

I saw a film where the alleged crims were tied to the termination poles, then shot at; narrowly missing, rather than actually shot!

With the narrowly missed targets, dying a thousand deaths, and unable however steeled, to keep their composure, when the ricocheting rifle rounds rang out the third time!

I seriously doubt there would have been any recorded recidivism in that particular group of prisoners?

Even so, if there are consequences of a particular action in a particular location, then those taking such action, need to accept all the possible consequences!

We have be fighting a war on drugs for over 70 years! Which has cost more lives than WW11, with the only outcome, even more of it hitting the streets and worryingly, our schools!

And the production of ice only took off, when we successfully created several temporary heroin droughts!

None of that is how you measure success, neither by the massively swelled prison populations/budgets; or the exponentially increasing law enforcement budgets/death tolls; and or, clogged courts!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 30 April 2015 2:13:14 PM
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Well why not apply the same punishment to Wall St Criminals and the too big to fail bankers. They were bailed out and now continue to print our currencies into oblivion.

The real criminals get rort the system and cause enormous human misery. Read 'Confessions of an Economic' by John Perkins and learn how he was paid to corrupt the Govts of poor countries by imposing unpayable debt on them and if all else failed, Govt officials were often assassinated. The big Corps would then get their resources for a song as well as cheap labour.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 30 April 2015 2:40:13 PM
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Severe punishments are a deterrent to criminal behaviour.

In Australia, public officials bemoan the fact that they can not prevent graffiti damaging public and private property to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Singapore does not have that problem. Graffiti artists in Singapore were flogged and the problem disappeared.

In the Gulf States, daytime temperatures are so high that people leave their cars in car parks with the engines and air conditioners running while they go into the shopping malls to shop. Car thieves do not exist because any captured car thief will have a leg and an arm chopped off from opposite sides of the body according to Sharia Law.

If the penalty for drug trafficking in Indonesia is death, then you can bet that I am not going to go to Indonesia to traffic in drugs.

The execution of Chan and Sukamaran is an object lesson in any fool thinking of emulating them.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 1 May 2015 3:39:50 AM
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Two drug mules killed in Indonesia, oh dear oh dear, thousands killed in Iraq in Bush's war, no oh dear oh dear. We are a funny lot.
Posted by Ojnab, Friday, 1 May 2015 4:31:08 PM
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