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Australians and Turks remember Gallipoli : Comments

By Alice Aslan, published 24/4/2015

The seeds of two unique nations were sown during the battle of Gallipoli: Turkey with the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire and Australia with a new identity.

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" War and what is it good for".....From what I've seen lately..the men returning are coming back mentally affected by their service to the country and Iam just wondering what the women of these X-service men think, when the man that she loves cant fit into or back to family life.....I would like to know the Government's backings to these women that have or yet to be the back-bone to post traumatic stress.....which all women from all wars have to deal with.

Tally
Posted by Tally, Friday, 24 April 2015 10:00:57 PM
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The Mongols of Turkmenistan were Muslim because Ghengis Khan had selected Islam as the most suitable religion for his soldiers, as Islam was a warriors religion that justified wars of expansion. The Turks took Constantinople from the Greeks to both destroy the Eastern Roman Empire, and to cut off Europe from trade with China through the Silk Road. The Turks decided to conquer the Muslim Middle East before Europe to create a Muslim caliphate, similar to what ISIS is doing right now. Europe could wait until the time was right for invasion.

The British attack to drive the Turks right out of Europe by kicking them out of Constantinople was absolutely the right thing to do, and it came within an ace of succeeding. One more push by the combined British and French fleets would have done the job, as the Turkman forts were out of ammunition. So too, the land attack almost succeeded when the Kiwis made it to the top of the mountains before being driven back by newly arriving Muslim reinforcements under Kamal Attaturk.

Kamal Attaturk was a prescient military commander who realised that Turkey could not create a military force to compete with the Europeans unless Turkey modernised into a secular state. It was only practical military necessity that was the reason for Muslim social change in Turkey.

Australia remembers ANZAC because it was our first real military engagement and it was a total disaster with horrendous casualties. Complete military defeats are often more deeply felt than military victories, and usually result in some deep introspection about military competency, weapons and tactics. For Britain it is Dunkirk, for Germany it is Stalingrad, and for France it is Waterloo.

The claim that ANZAC unites Australia and Turkey is just a fantasy of the multiculturalists who are trying to pretend that Australians and Muslims can be friends. The west is just sorry that we did not drive out the Turks from Anatolia, and the Turks are sorry that they did not conquer Europe. Still, the Turks know that there is more than one way to skin a rat.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 25 April 2015 7:23:57 AM
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Only recently, the Turkish President, on an official visit to germany, enraged his hosts when he addressed a large gathering of "German" Turks and told them that they should remember that they are Turks first, and Germans second. So too, the Turkish ambassador to Austria almost got expelled from Austria when he denounced the Austrian demand that Muslims should assimilate into Australia society. The Turkish ambassador claimed that demanding that "Austrian" Turks must assimilate was a violation of their "Human Right" to retain their cultural identity as "Turks."
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 25 April 2015 7:30:25 AM
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Killarney,

You you clearly disagree with me, which is fine. But your reasons for disagreeing are not fine. Nazis did not "invent" war. War has been waged forever, well before modern times. Your denial of war saving us from Nazism etc and self-determination for people, and abolition of slavery highlights your misunderstanding of history - if you have read any history, of course.

What I find really strange about people like you, is that you do not describe your fallback plan for the inevitable times - as now, with Islamic terrorism - when hostile people attack us and our allies. That plan would include straight out surrender, would it not?
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 25 April 2015 11:46:43 AM
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