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Why the climate zealots are almost completely wrong : Comments

By John Robertson, published 23/4/2015

Man-made? Yes, Mr President. Man's release of CO2 into the air by burning fossil fuels is a significant factor in current climate change.

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The lunatics have taken over the running of the asylum.
Posted by Robert LePage, Thursday, 23 April 2015 10:40:29 AM
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This discussion is like so many on Climate Change.

The sceptic puts up a number of empirical doubts about the hypothesis which according Karl Popper is what ‘true’ science is all about. You don’t prove theories, you try to disprove them.

The alarmists respond with ad hominem attacks:

You have not studied the subject for long enough.
You have fallen for propaganda.

As to sea levels rising 3.2mm per year, during the depths of the last ice age 18,000 years ago glaciers, sea level was 120 metres lower and Indonesia and the Phillipines were a land bridge between Australia and Asia. That leads to an average rise of 6.6mm per year so what is the issue?
Posted by EQ, Thursday, 23 April 2015 10:54:51 AM
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Perhaps if the article were headed, all the reasons we can find or make up to preserve the coal mining industry; and the foreign investors who by and large own it?

It might be useful propaganda!? The rubes will believe anything?

Solar thermal activity has been waning since the mid seventies. (NASA).

Even so 2014 was we're told, the hottest year on record!?

Desertification increases, with longer more enduring droughts impacting on southern states.

And given the waning phase, one would expect less intense storms; rather than the disasters now destroying life and property in NSW.

If the Antarctic ice is increasing; that is to be expected given the increased fresh melt water replacing the salt; and increased global convection driving more super cold Stratospheric air down into Arctic regions, and evidenced by measured increased wind factors.

Alaskans cannot remember a time when there was no summer ice; nor when the permanently frozen tundra melted, creating many new summer lakes and adding millions of tons of new methane to our atmosphere!

And all occurring during a solar waning (cooling) period; and therefore not able to be used as the principle cause of any of this evidential phenomena!

What is wrong with converting our economy to a largely thorium-micro-grid based one, and not because it's carbon free; but because it costs half what the foreign coal cartels rip off us now, and as the first consequence all but destroys what remains of our manufacturing base!

And what's wrong with replacing the worlds most (privatized) expensive energy, with the world's cheapest!

Naming endlessly sustainable scrubbed biogas driving very local ceramic fuel cells, with a four times better energy coefficient (80%) than old king coal, (20%)!

There is a cause of all this new phenomena, and it's not waning solar thermal activity!

If we cannot get recalcitrant tin eared incumbent pollies to act, then the only course left open is to replace them; and as simple as simply placing all incumbents last on the ballot paper!
Cont.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 23 April 2015 11:37:42 AM
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Should all those casinos by the beach be washed with salt water, all will be well.

Initially the alarm went that the sea will rise by 300 metres, so we all panicked.

Then it was revised down to 61 metres, so my brother built his house 63 metres above sea-level in the hope of having a private beach.

Then it was revised down to just one metre, that too only by the end of this century, so my brother has to stay dry.
Are the alarmists going to compensate him?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 23 April 2015 11:54:29 AM
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And what other than culpable intransigence prevents us accessing our own import replacing indigenous hydrocarbons, (possible massive deposits) in the knowledge and belief that this modest change alone will reduce the carbon created by our transport sector by around 75%! And indeed, virtually everywhere we could export it to.

And for starters, put back around 21 annual billions into the local economy; or if you will, including the usual flow on factors, over a 100 annual billions of additional economic activity into our own economy; which would make a nice change from bleeding it and us, white!

And if these serially incompetent/recalcitrant/tin eared pollies won't come to the party, then replace them with those who will!

It's just not good enough for young folks to whine about no longer affordable housing or transport/climate change; yet refuse to get off their backsides and vote!

As a 40% demographic of voting age citizenry; they as an organised voting block all placing the current incumbent last on the ballot paper, have the power to decide all elections!

You'll never ever know if you never ever try!

We need reform all over the shop; and only one real weapon with which to peacefully achieve it!

And think, there are folks in other places laying down their very lives for the right to vote for who governs them!

Organize and use such rights as you do posses, before surrendering them without a contest to activists; who play you?

Some of who only see you as canon fodder serving terrorists, whose stated enduring intention is total world domination and a completely controlled powerless citizenry, (virtual slaves) with no rights at all! And, with climate change nowhere on their to do list!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 23 April 2015 12:13:04 PM
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EQ you are wrong, and you know it. The science is being done by scientist, and can be read about in science journals.

This article is not a serious attempt to engage with science.
Even more importantly these talking points copy and pasted from right wing think tanks have been addressed many times over. so when you keep putting them up then you open yourself up to ridicule. The anti-global warming crowd are becoming more and more like creationist every day.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 23 April 2015 2:29:32 PM
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