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By David Singer, published 16/4/2015Growing support for - and pledges of allegiance to - Islamic State by diverse Islamic terrorist groups world-wide are now creating horrific humanitarian problems for Christian communities in many countries
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Posted by McReal, Thursday, 16 April 2015 8:57:53 AM
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* to the detriment of the operations and *aims* in Afghanistan ...
Posted by McReal, Thursday, 16 April 2015 8:58:58 AM
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Wherever the terrorists exist there's likely to be horrific humanitarian problems, with or without Daesh.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 16 April 2015 10:16:40 AM
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It sounds crazy, but think for a moment about the difference there would be in the world if we spent billions, even trillions of dollars on providing housing, jobs, healthcare and education for people around the world instead of bombing innocent civilians into the stone age?
The war on terror has only produced more terror. We need to look at our stated values and what our governments are actually doing and think about how mismatched they are. How about if the US and its allies stopped funding fundamentalist muslims? There are plenty of sources including Hillary Clinton who have stated the CIA funded Al Qaeda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw Seymour Hersh (the journalist who exposed the My Lai massacre) has said the US and Saudis and others have funded ISIS http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line More war will only help those whose interests are served by war. Corporations are the only winners. They make the money off armament sales, they get first dibs on liberated nations resources (many were previously in state hands) Libya is a great example - before 2011 it was the richest country in Africa. Its people had subsidized housing, free health free education (they even paid students to go OS to study at the tertiary level) free electricity free child care Women were able to vote, work, study It was debt free with billions in reserve After the "liberation" by NATO it is now a failed state - militias are killing civilians - 3/4 or a million Libyans have fled the country. But never fear, the US and EU have taken billions of dollars from Libya to keep it in trust - they will now doubt give it back when things improve. Posted by BJelly, Thursday, 16 April 2015 11:08:46 AM
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Yes, the devastating legacy of the coalition of the killing.
Meanwhile the situation in the Middle East, especially in regards to Israel and Palestine is far more complex than the usual zionist propaganda hacks and the powerful Jewish lobby would have us believe. The new essay by Robert Parry via his Consortium News website provides an interesting perspective re the behinds the scenes villainy of two of the key players in the psychotic drama(s) being dramatized in that part of the world. It is titled Did Money Seal the Israeli Saudi Alliance. Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 16 April 2015 12:44:50 PM
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"Growing support for - and pledges of allegiance to - Islamic State by diverse Islamic terrorist groups world-wide are now creating horrific humanitarian problems for Christian communities in many countries"
How about Growing support for - and pledges of allegiance to - Israel by diverse complicit Countries world-wide, particularly the U.S., UK, Australia, Saudi Arabia et al are now creating horrific humanitarian problems for Palestinians in their own traditional homelands. You are such a hypocrite. The entire ME disaster is a result of the Zionist designed and orchestrated plan being carried out by the foolhardy Americans and their lapdog allies. Fortunately non-Zionists and normal people can see right through the lies and propaganda being espoused to justify genocide in the ME and spreading to other countries like Ukraine. Posted by Geoff of Perth, Friday, 17 April 2015 12:56:19 AM
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But Daffy Duck
Is not Mr Singer just a little better than a "zionist propaganda hack" of the "powerful Jewish lobby"? Look at all the work he put into the article - with minimal cut and pastes. Must have taken him days if not weeks! Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 17 April 2015 12:34:54 PM
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Geoff of Perth
u believe in fairytales! Posted by runner, Friday, 17 April 2015 1:10:07 PM
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Dear David Singer
Where you say at the end: "Only an internationally-sanctioned force replacing Obama’s coalition can stem the tide. President Obama needs to get that Security Council Resolution rolling." There are large "an internationally-sanctioned [UN] forces" in many of the radical Islamist trouble spots you have pointed out. The UN has greatly appreciated much US Coalition assistance for decades: --- See the most relevant parts of this UN Peacekeeping Fact Sheet http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/resources/statistics/factsheet.shtml Current peacekeeping operations: 16 Personnel Uniformed personnel: 104,668 (as of 28 February 2015) Approved resources for the period from 1 July 2014 to 30 June 2015: about $8.47 billion [much paid by the US] [Missions Include] United Nations Mission Western Sahara (MINURSO) since April 1991 Strength: 476 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 220 Civilian personnel: 244 Fatalities: 15 Approved budget (07/2014– 06/2015): $55,990,080 United Nations Central African Republic (MINUSCA) since April 2014 Strength: 9,660 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 9,285 Civilian personnel: 357 Approved budget (07/2014– 06/2015): $628,724,400 United Nations Mission in Mali (MINUSMA) since April 2013 Strength: 11,029 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 9,883 Civilian personnel: 1027 Fatalities: 46 Approved budget: (07/2014– 06/2015): $830,701,700 United Nations Democratic Republic of the Congo (MONUSCO) since July 2010 Strength: 25,175 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 21,067 Civilian personnel: 3,679 Fatalities: 86 Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $1,398,475,300 African Union-United Nations Darfur (UNAMID) since July 2007 Strength: 19,994 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 15,863 Civilian personnel: 3,839 International civilians: 970 Fatalities: 215 Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $1,153,611,300 United Nations Abyei (UNISFA) since June 2011 Strength: 4,304 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 4,089 Civilian personnel: 193 Fatalities: 17 Approved budget (07/2014 – 06/2015): $318,925,200 United Nations Mission South Sudan (UNMISS) since July Strength: 14,272 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 11,669 Civilian personnel: 2,194 Fatalities: 35 Approved budget(07/2014 – 06/2015): $1,097,315,100 United Nations Operation in Côte d'Ivoire (UNOCI) since April 2004 Strength: 8,784 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 7,602 Civilian personnel: 1,028 Fatalities: 130 Approved budget (07/2014 - 06/2015): $493,570,300 United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL) since September 2003 Strength: 7,299 total, including: Uniformed personnel: 5,865 Civilian personnel: 1,241 --- Your views please. Pete Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 17 April 2015 2:33:02 PM
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Dear Pete,
But what are those 104,668 personnel instructed to do? We know from previous missions that their instructions were to lie on the beach, visit bars, drink and harass the local girls. When trouble actually occurred, such as the genocide in Rwanda, they were ordered to not intervene (though they clearly could) and flee the country. "Peacekeeping" is a code-name for an organised holiday at the expense of other countries' tax-payers - see http://www.unmemovie.com Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 17 April 2015 3:00:47 PM
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Are yee o' little faith Yuyutsubabe.
UN staff may receive twice the pay but surely they work (or Party) twice as hard? If they fail then all the more reason for all those benign US Coalitions - of which Australia has perpetual membership. Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 17 April 2015 5:23:48 PM
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Sure Pete, I sincerely hope those coalitions will do better, though looking at the clumsiness of the US and its past history, I may doubt so... but hope I'm wrong!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 17 April 2015 5:56:13 PM
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#plantaganet
Seems you need to study up on the difference between a UN peacekeeping force and a UN force authorised to take military action under the authority of a Chapter VII resolution of the UN Charter. Thanks anyway for your complimentary plaudits. Posted by david singer, Saturday, 18 April 2015 6:47:16 PM
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UN military are military David.
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 19 April 2015 4:14:43 PM
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#plantagenet
Depends on what the UN force is authorised to do. A peacekeeping force has a different authority to a force authorised to degrade and destroy. If the UN fails to act to authorise the use of force against Islamic state and those supporting or pledging allegiance to it then the UN runs the risk of becoming as irrelevant as the League of Nations did in failing to prevent World War II occurring. Posted by david singer, Monday, 20 April 2015 11:06:48 PM
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They were justified in going after bin Laden and al qaeda in Afghanistan, and probably the Taliban (they couldn't have operated in Afghanistan if they hadn't 'neutralised' the Taliban).
But going into Iraq (as a Crusade as Bush described it) was to the detriment of the operations and in Afghanistan; and it was highly likely that Muslim resentment and backlash was going to feature.