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Same but different: Bali Nine and children in detention : Comments

By Virginia Small, published 2/3/2015

Mr Abbott said the Human Rights Commission should be ashamed of itself for releasing the report because it was an attack on his government.

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What is your evidence for that, OTB? Assuming you are right, what do you think might be relevant to considering causation? Or is it your view that asylum seekers are, by their nature, simply criminals who are unable to restrain themselves from behaving badly regardless of circumstances?

Have you ever found yourself in a situation in which nothing you could do would in any way influence the outcome? Whether you have or haven't, are you able to empathise with other people to the extent that you might be able to consider how that might cause mental health deterioration? Or is the colour of these people's skin and the religion they practise simply too high a barrier for your mind to jump and think about them as really "people"?
Posted by Craig Minns, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 9:57:45 AM
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Craig Minns,

Who else would be responsible, what are you alleging?

We can rest assured that if was the security staff that would be reported immediately. However the guards are also selected, trained and monitored, which makes it all the more unlikely.
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 10:06:14 AM
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I'm not alleging anything at all, OTB, you made the claims.

I notice you avoided answering any of my questions.
Posted by Craig Minns, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 10:18:51 AM
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SOL,

Triggs was supposed to act without political fear or favour. By her own account, she delayed the inquiry because she feared it might have an impact on the election which at that time was about 6 months away, and admitted having discussions with Labor ministers at that time.

At the beginning of 2013 Labor was on the nose with illegal boats, and an inquiry into children in detention would have been extremely embarrassing. The moving of the inquiry was a clear party political favour.

As for the execution of the Bali nine drug smugglers, Abbott never insulted the Indonesians, no matter how the left tries to twist it. That Yoko has painted himself into a corner by making the execution of drug smugglers a signature policy has more to do with the outcome than the robust diplomatic effort of Abbott and Bishop. (compared to the feeble efforts by Rudd when van Nguyen was hanged)

As for Abbott, he is still far more competent than either Krudd or Juliar by a country mile.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 10:50:22 AM
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Craig Minns,

I did answer with an explanation and I asked you who the hell else could be responsible.
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 12:29:59 PM
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Shadow Minister "As for Abbott, he is still far more competent than either Krudd or Juliar by a country mile."

Lol!
Maybe in your country, but not in Australia....
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 1:02:46 AM
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