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Presidential commitments must trump protocol : Comments

By David Singer, published 4/2/2015

The furore engendered by House Speaker John Boehner inviting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address congress on March 3, supposedly in breach of presidential protocol, marks the first step in congress flexing its muscles.

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Written commitments are not treaties. Most nations of the world agree that the settlements are illegal. Any written commitment by the United States in support of illegal activities should be revoked. President Obama has no obligation to support any written commitment which condones or accepts illegal activities by the Israeli government. The previous written commitments did not become treaties probably because of the awareness that those commitments accepted the settlements that most nations agree are in violation of international law.

Unlike Israel where the prime minister is a member of of parliament the president of the United States has been elected by the people of the United as a whole. President Obama would be wrong to go to Israel, ignore Prime Minister Netanyahu and speak to Meretz or some other party not in government. Prime Minister Netanyahu is equally wrong to go to the United States, speak to Congress and ignore the president.

Singer wrote: "Israel – and Israel alone - must determine where its secure, recognized and defensible borders are to be located under these American Written Commitments."

The American commitments do not have treaty status, and Israel must negotiate with the other parties involved to determine any borders.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 11:11:11 AM
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You make an assumption that the land used by Isrealis was illegally obtained. My understanding of it is that the lands developed were legally obtianed by purchase from sales made by Palestinians or at lease by far the most of them.

One thing I am certain of is that the underlying premise on which your comment is based desrves a more thorought examination than I am able to give it. If you want to comment at least get outside of your politically defined box and appreciate the larger picture in all it's detail. Maybe then we will at least have an informed debate.

As for legalities imposed on Israel from outside, they are not worth the paper or words used to express them.
Posted by Williejay, Thursday, 5 February 2015 3:45:19 PM
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#david f

The State Department website sets out the following:
"As explained in greater detail in 11 FAM 721.2, there are two procedures under domestic law through which the United States becomes a party to an international agreement. First, international agreements (regardless of their title, designation, or form) whose entry into force with respect to the United States takes place only after two thirds of the U.S. Senate has given its advice and consent under Article II, section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution are "treaties." Second, international agreements brought into force with respect to the United States on a constitutional basis other than with the advice and consent of the Senate are "international agreements other than treaties" and are often referred to as "executive agreements."
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70133.htm

The commitments made by President Bush in his letter dated 12 April 2004 as consented to by more than two thirds of the Senate could therefore be construed to constitute a Treaty under Article 11 Section 2 Clause 2:
"He [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;"

Alternatively the commitments made by President Bush could be construed as an Executive Agreement made with Israel pursuant to the Constitutional Authority of the President.

"The President may conclude an international agreement on any subject within his constitutional authority so long as the agreement is not inconsistent with legislation enacted by the Congress in the exercise of its constitutional authority. The constitutional sources of authority for the President to conclude international agreements include:
(1) The President's authority as Chief Executive to represent the nation in foreign affairs;
(2) The President's authority to receive ambassadors and other public ministers, and to recognize foreign governments;
(3) The President's authority as “Commander-in-Chief”; and
(4) The President's authority to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/88317.pdf

President Obama now needs to urgently answer whether he considers himself bound by the commitments made by President Bush in his letter dated 14 April 2004.

Beating around the Bush is pointless.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 5 February 2015 5:21:11 PM
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Dear David Singer,

Thank you for information. A treaty or agreement binds all parties to it. In your article you did not consider Israel bound by the agreement. Part 3 of the agreement stated:

"Accepted as part of a final peace settlement that Israel must have secure and recognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338."

In your article you stated:

"Israel – and Israel alone - must determine where its secure, recognized and defensible borders are to be located under these American Written Commitments."

That directly contradicts part 3 of the agreement. Apparently you want Obama bound by the agreement, but Israel does not have to be. That hardly seems fair, but in this and your previous articles on the subject you don't appear to be concerned with fairness.

In my humble opinion the fact that the agreement allows continual Israeli occupation of the settlements is enough to void them. As a lawyer you know that an agreement to continue or initiate an illegal activity is unenforceable.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 5 February 2015 6:12:58 PM
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#David f

You have apparently misunderstood my statement:
""Israel – and Israel alone - must determine where its secure, recognized and defensible borders are to be located under these American Written Commitments."

It will be Israel - not America - that will determine where its secure recognized and defensible borders will be in any future negotiations with the PLO (although it appears there will be none at this stage).

If Israel decides to do land swaps - it will be Israel's decision.

If israel does not agree to land swaps - then America has agreed to honour and respect Israel's decision under the Bush letter.

You state:

"In my humble opinion the fact that the agreement allows continual Israeli occupation of the settlements is enough to void them. As a lawyer you know that an agreement to continue or initiate an illegal activity is unenforceable."

At least you are prepared to now concede there is an agreement but that it is supposedly tainted by illegality - which is incorrect. There has been no binding Court decision ruling that Jews do not have the right to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Judea and Samaria ( West Bank ), Gaza and East .Jerusalem under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter.

However it is President Obama - not you or me - who must answer whether he is bound by the Bush commitments - and if not - provide the Congress and the American constituency with his reasons for rejecting the Bush commitments.

When he provides his answer - then the matter can be further argued.

Whilst Obama remains silent - there is a gaping hole in America's foreign policy regarding its position on the resolution of the Arab- Jewish conflict.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 5 February 2015 7:25:35 PM
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Dear David Singer,

<<There has been no binding Court decision ruling that Jews do not have the right to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Judea and Samaria ( West Bank ), Gaza and East .Jerusalem under article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter.>>

We have been through this before. A law comes into force when it is passed not when a court makes a ruling. A court may rule that a law is void or inoperative. However, it becomes law when it is passed and remains law unless a court finds it in conflict with other law. The settlements remain in violation of the Geneva Protocol. A Jewish National Home is not a concept recognised in international law. Jews like everybody else should have the right to live anywhere they are accepted for residence. Netanyahu was completely out of line in telling French Jews their home is in Israel. I would deeply resent it if the head of a foreign country were to tell me my home is not in my country but in his. The mandate is a dead letter which has no force any more.

The fact you refer to the territories as Judea and Samaria is interesting.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 5 February 2015 7:58:15 PM
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