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Islamic terrorism's useful idiots : Comments

By Chris Ashton, published 19/1/2015

It should go without saying that not every Muslim is a terrorist or a murderer, but by the same token it apparently needs spelling out that globally there is only one religion in whose name unabated violence is routinely committed.

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The crusades killed 6 million Muslims. And that's according to history almost anyone can read.

I've no idea how many lives were sacrificed by the Spanish inquisition, save it was a bloody and murderous part of Christian history, as was the troubles that pitted protestants against Catholics, and even denied the latter the universal rights inherent in the Magna Carta; [like the right to bear arms,] until Disraeli's emancipation act, that then conferred those rights on all Brits.

Before then there were decades of persecution and made visible even today, by the priest holes still found in ancient dwellings; or Cromwell's war on the aristocrats.

And no, we Christians didn't need specific passages in our book to justify killings, torture and all manner of inherent evil.

Just a Pope who couldn't err; and in medieval times, often found at the head of an army, making war on the disbelievers/pagan hordes.

And while 300 years or more might seem a long time ago, when measured against the entire course of human history, it was just yesterday.

A useful read is a book called, the very well researched pillars of the earth, by Ken Folliet, which fairly accurately describes those times, and just what was allowed or created in the name of holy mother church; hardly a church at all; but more like a political system or prostitute, where personal power was paramount.

[And a useful place to "safely" park the literate sons of the rich and privileged, who missed out on inherited wealth!]

And in fair comparison, arguably describes much of modern day Islam, at war with the world and itself.

The Qoran asks that its devotees decide with the heart as well as the head, or if you will, the conscience; and what's missing in early Christian church history, and indeed, large swathes of so called modern day Islam.

And as before, according to the interpretations of so called men of God!

And as before, demanding absolute belief, even as their book was revised and rewritten until it bears little similarity, to the oldest known version.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 19 January 2015 5:51:26 PM
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Craig

Oh dear, instant descent into spiteful schoolyard personal abuse and false onus when I point out that you're talking gobbledegook.

"My reasoning is clear, has been stated and has been supported."

I've proved it wasn't and hasn't, and you know I have, which is why you're now trying to duck for cover into your schoolyard snivelling. All you did was imply that YOUR level of consumption was not more than enough, without specifying what level would be to make sense of your belief system.

There's no need for me to prove what I'm not asserting; no false onus on my part. You're the one saying that the stupid belief most responsible for wars of aggression is ... what? You don't even know what it is. All you've offered is: Whatever Craig Minn says is right, whatever he consumes is not too much, and anyone questioning will be first evaded, and then abused when he can't defend his stupid belief system.

Stop squirming and abusing and either answer the question, or admit you can't. How do you know, for all the people in the world you're presuming to talk for or down to, whether their consumption of any given resource is enough or more than enough?

A simple "I don't know and admit I was talking fatuous bullsh!t" will suffice.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 19 January 2015 7:33:49 PM
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‘morning Rhrosty,

Relativism goes only so far in trying to mitigate Islamic atrocities by comparing modern Islamic terror with ancient religious conflicts, Christianity seems to have become a regular target.

The 177 years of the Crusades were in response to Muslim Invaders, not the other way round. It’s only a bit of history so why not trash a few facts?

There are no accurate accounts of the death toll for the Crusades but mean calculations put the figure between 500,000 and 1.5m, an average of 5,650 a year. This number includes Jews, Christians, Muslims, civilians, disease and those who died during the journey.

Your 6 million Muslims figure? Nah.

The Spanish Inquisition conducted 150,000 hearings with approximately 5,000 given the death penalty.

If you insist on relativism, Stalin dispatched 50-60 million people in less than six years, an average of 1,923,076 a year and between 1973 and 2005 the estimated total of deaths due to abortion topped 46 million, an average of 1,437,500 a year.

Some seem so desperate to appease the 460,000 killed by Islamic terror since 2001, that any old urban myth will do to make a point?

Like Chris said, Islamic Terrorisms Useful Idiots.
Posted by spindoc, Monday, 19 January 2015 8:16:06 PM
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Jay of Melbourne,

The media is extremely adept at exploiting our emotions.

More than a few years ago, the TV news in Australia showed pictures of a little boy and man allegedly his father, hiding behind a 44 gallon drum.

The voice said that they were sheltering from bullets fired by the Israeli soldiers.

The film cuts to black.

The voice says that the boy was killed by Israeli bullets.

Instantly people are hostile towards the Israeli military.

Cut to a story a few years later broken by Melanie Philips that the pictures and story about a Palestine boy being killed by Israeli soldiers were all false. It was all staged by a journalist.

Another story was about how the Israeli air force was targeting ambulances, they even had pictures of Ambulances with holes in their roofs. But the interior was strangely intact, which was explained when it was exposed that the Palestine where using the ambulances as launch pads for their missiles.

We get well and truly stitched up, by the morning shows, the current affair shows as well. Even 60 minutes and 4 corners do a good job on it.
Posted by Wolly B, Monday, 19 January 2015 8:51:27 PM
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Remember that 'useful idiots' are useful to both sides.

Those who dutifully parrot the 'violent Islam' paradigm, while ignoring all the other empirical evidence about what radicalises mostly young men to commit terrorist acts (like anger over wars and injustice, a sense of identity and purpose, wanting to be a hero and, most of all, simply being young and male), are being equally useful and equally idiotic.

SteeleRedux

'Let us compare it to what happened in Bosnia. There Christians systematically murdered nearly 200,000 Muslim civilians including 8,000 men and boys in one notorious camp alone. Systematic rapes were also a feature of this genocide/ethnic cleansing where young Muslim girls were defiled and often killed. In terms of scale there is no contest.'

I recommend you read some of the investigative journalism of Edward S Herman, Seymour Hersch (who broke the My Lai story) and Diana Johnstone, who have exposed much of the Western propaganda surrounding the Bosnia-Kosovo-Serb conflict. (For their efforts, these journalists have been demonised by those same Western propaganda sources as 'genocide deniers'.)

Certainly, these events and atrocities are partly true, but they occurred on both sides within the context of a Nato-campaign to break up the former Yugoslavia. There is a whole lot more to the Srebrenica story than the ridiculously one-sided Serb genocide myth we have been fed. Ditto, the mass rape stories. Even the term 'ethnic cleansing', which has been wrongfully attributed to the Serbs, was actually a Western media invention.

However, I do not wish to detract from your main argument - i.e. to give a recent example of Christians terrorising Muslims - which I DO agree with.
Posted by Killarney, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 12:57:30 AM
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To author Chris Ashton

I lived through the Cold War when educated and supposedly intelligent people made every excuse for International Socialism (Communism) and pointedly ignored the fact that the entire Communist world was a giant prison camp where people were shot if they tried to escape. These people were truly "useful idiots", a term used by Lenin to describe young western bourgeoisie who supported Communism.

My perception as to why these people did that, is because some people have a compulsive need to think that they are superior to everybody else, and they think that the defining characteristic of an intelligent and moral person, is to always support their people's enemies and attack their people's friends.

An example of this would be Craig Minns exchange with JKJ on this topic (page 1&2) where he completely ignored JKJ's excellent reply and simply pointed out how morally superior he is. Minns really does think that he is morally superior to JKJ because he only has a cheap computer and donates to some charity. His implication is that he is oh, so fukking superior to those who attack Islam, and that is his entire argument.

The connection is clear. Those who attack Islam are moral inferiors and those who defend it are moral superiors.

Poor old Craig has never studied history, because if he had, he might have discovered that the great intellects like Voltaire attacked the Establishment of the time because of rational reasons. Voltaire did not just attack the Establishment because he thought it made him look smart. And the great minds of yesterday loved to stick pins in the inflated ego's of people claiming moral superiority, like Craig Minns.

By any application of reasoned logic, Islam is a violent religion that is dangerous to non Muslims, and unacceptable in secular societies, because it's own religious teachings tells it's followers that that committing violence towards non believers and fighting against a secular state, is what morally upright Muslim people do.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 2:44:29 AM
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