One only needs to read Mild Colonial Boy's post above to see that our strict guns laws are effective right now, in that we don't have many people killed by firearms in this country.

If we cast our eyes over the gun-related homicides in America for example, where shoot-em-up lifestyles are considered a 'God given right', we would note a vastly different result.

If we are intelligent, we should all agree that we are better off in Australia....

Oops, forgot the link!

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/blogEntry?id=20303432&ref=http://www.google.com.au/

Suze, it's always hard to compare a country with 22 million to one of 300 million. When I was a teenager we carried loaded guns in our cars, often on display. I am of the opinion that much of our crime has been imported. I say this because you need an interpreter to watch the news these days. Besides, criminals today are pretty much guaranteed that their victims are either gun less, or their guns are stowed away in such a way to make them inaccessible in an emergency. Is it little wonder crime has increased.

Once more for the dummies.

If lax gun laws causes crime and terrorism, then every society with lax gun laws would be awash in crime and terrorism. Conversely, every society with very strict gun laws must be almost crime and terrorism free. Both of these premises are self evidently wrong. Armed societies like Israel, Switzerland, rural Australia, and white areas of the USA, have very low rates of violent crime. The homicide rate in Mexico is three times the US rate, even though the private ownership of firearms is banned.

The USA has long been touted as the trump card of gun prohibitionists like Susioncrack. People like Susie really believe that the reason why the USA's rate of homicide is five times that of Australia's, is because of firearms. But if all the people murdered with firearms were removed entirely from the US homicide statistics, the US homicide rate would still be twice the Australian rate. Clearly, there is something other than the mere presence of firearms which makes some Americans think that killing a person for personnel reasons is justified.

The elephant in the room that people like Susioncrack ignore, is that there is much more of a causal link between ethnicity and homicide, and Islam to terrorism, then there is any link between the presence of firearms to homicide and terrorism.

Take the author of this article as an example. Keith Forrex's says he wants to reduce terrorism. He does not mention the word "Muslims" at all because he does not want to make the obvious connection. He also does not want to give the police the powers they are asking for to prevent Muslim terrorist acts. So, the only thing left he can suggest is to ban guns. Ban guns and everything will be wonderful in multicultural utopian Australia. We can keep on pretending that Islam is not a problem and Muslims will not do what Allah orders them to do. But violent crime and Islamic terrorism will continue to rise in Australia long after all guns are banned, and Susie and Keith run out of scapegoats.

However in one year alone - 2010 http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html :

"...there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S."

So are 19,308 suicide gun-deaths in one USA year doing the US a favour as this presumably involves more non-whites killing thar-selves than righteous Aryan KKK folk?

Anyways we wants to be like the US cos its sooo exciting having shootouts and "PACKING HEAT" instead of having gonads.

DEPUTY HUBERT T. REDNECK

Plantagenet,

I looked up the link that you provided and was intrigued by the first graph, that shews the US at the top of selected countries.

The author(s) didn't put in South Africa, would that be because their murder rate is higher than that of the US?
What is also interesting about their graph is the high incidence of African and Hispanic people in the top register.

Also they say

".... This is reflected in the U.S. constitution, whose second amendment guarantees that "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Though the application of this amendment applied to maintenance of a militia, and not private gun ownership, the second amendment has been consistently interpreted to protect private ownership of many types of guns...."
They appear to lack not only a useful knowledge of English but a disdain for their own Constitution and for their High Court.