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'I don't condone the murder of cartoonists but...' : Comments

By Tim Napper, published 13/1/2015

The argument that any criticism of Islam should be immediately conflated with racism or Islamophobia is nothing less than the censorship of free speech and thought.

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Correction: In my comment above, instead of 'non-aligned', I should have said 'non-US-aligned'.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 12:43:12 AM
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Tim Napper must be a racist if he does not respect the commands of Allah. Under the sacred ideals of multiculturalism, majorities must respect the rights of generally crime prone and welfare dependent minorities to do exactly what their God or Prophet has commanded.

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (6:93) - "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?"

Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"

Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."


From the Hadith:

Bukhari (59:369) - This recounts the murder of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet who wrote verses about Muslims that Muhammad found insulting. He asked his followers, 'Who will rid me of this man?' and several volunteered. al-Ashraf was stabbed to death while fighting for his life.

Bukhari (4:241) - Those who mocked Muhammad at Mecca were killed after he had retaken the city and asserted his authority.

I don't condone the murder of journalists, but, anybody who promotes the idea that Muslims can exist peacefully within a secular democratic society has only themselves to blame when the Muslims who's cause they champion, turn on them and kill them.

Poetic justice.

Muslims believe that those who insult the prophet should be killed. That is the law in every Muslim country on Earth. If the world was composed of "moderate" Muslims then the concept of murdering people who insult or even criticise Islam would not be universal. If we import people with this mindset into western countries, we can hardly be surprised when the Muslims do exactly what their God and Prophet commands them to do
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 3:19:48 AM
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You will notice, Lego, the total absence of free-Speech marches and demonstrations in the Muslim world. While in many cities around the world they held marches to support the ideals of the Paris victims, none happened in Islamic societies.

In fact, even Muslims joined in these demonstrations -- in the West.

So, what do you think? Why do Muslims in the West, where they are a minority, tell us they support free speech and equality, yet we see none of this where they dominate?

Could it be they are sincere, or could it be they are deceitful, or maybe even is it that they want to believe that islam is what they want it to be, not what it is?

The answer is not difficult.
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 3:44:44 AM
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"There is nothing intrinsically violent about Islam."

There is something 'intrinsically violent' about any belief system that encourages its followers to ignore reality and construct fantasies about what an all-powerful being desires them to do.

If we laugh sufficiently hard at theists and their bizarre beliefs, we may be able to shame them into rationality. That's a lot more humane than the alternatives.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 5:44:47 AM
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Dear Kactuz,

<<It would depend on what is being mocked, wouldn't it?>>

Regardless, mocking others makes one a mocker.

Even if and when your duty calls you to fight evil, mockery hardly ever toppled a tyrant, but rather douses petrol on fire and is like the high-pitched squeak of a small dog on hearing the deep growl of a big dog.

<<Question: Do you think that evil, hate and violence deserve to be exempt from mockery?>>

In his Yoga Sutras, Patanjali prescribed four attitudes towards four different types of people:

"friendliness towards those who are happy, compassion for those who are suffering, goodwill towards those who are virtuous, and indifference or neutrality towards those we perceive as wicked or evil."

- http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-13339.htm#1.33

Note that this doesn't mean that you should never fight evil if your duty calls for it, but rather that it's best for you to fight professionally with an attitude of indifference, because it is your duty to do so rather than out of emotional hate.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:36:56 AM
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Yuyutsu,

Which human ever fought out of indifference?

Emotive reaction is triggered ten-fold when group-think is enacted....in the case the human condition words and meaning are incendiary when applied to emotions.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 9:11:05 AM
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