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Islam must degrade and destroy islamic state : Comments

By David Singer, published 31/12/2014

Surely the time has come for the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation to galvanise its member states into pledging unified Islamic military action to degrade and destroy Islamic State.

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"The impassioned plea by the father of a Jordanian F16 fighter pilot captured by Islamic State has shot down attempts by American President Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) to distance Islam from the Islamic State (ISIL).

Speaking to the media - the father of Islamic State's star captive - 1st Lt. Mu'ath al-Kaseasbeh, - said:

I direct a message to our generous brothers of the Islamic State in Syria: to host my son, the pilot Mu'ath, with generous hospitality. I ask God that their hearts are gathered together with love, and that he is returned to his family, wife and mother.

We are all Muslims."

The pilot's Muslim father is being realistic by admitting to the fact that Islamic State members are indeed Muslim.

In the words of University of Queensland academic, David Martin Jones, "Anglosphere governments engage in a discourse of denial leading to a disjunction between what Islamists say, what the media and security community say they mean and what Islamists actually do. Such self-delusion will ultimately prove self-defeating."('Lone wolves, stray dogs and leaderless resistance", The Australian, 1 January 2015)

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Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 1 January 2015 3:02:03 PM
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" The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they "have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence."

In this context, it is unsurprising that he steers away from the perception of Quran readers who regard the Quran as advocating violence. For example ( see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm ):

" The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history."
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 1 January 2015 3:08:52 PM
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There are dozens of Islamic nations, there are thousands of Islamic Jihadist groups. Between them in just one month, July 7 to August 8, 2014, they racked up 235 lethal attacks, killed 2,800 and maimed 8,600. At the same time they raped, enslaved, brutalised and subjugated countless defensless citizens of all creeds, cultures, religions, including Islam. They perpetrated permanent mutilation of their own children through FGM, embraced pedaphelia, enjoyed the company of other male Jihadis to the extent that many now have to wear "nappies" as a consequence. They all fight amongst each other however, they all share a common enemy. I wonder who that might be? Yet we in the West enjoy the company of those amongst us who, for whatever twisted ideology, embrace, support, condone and appease this medieval monstrosity we "peacefully" call Islam. How sick is that?
Posted by spindoc, Thursday, 1 January 2015 5:59:44 PM
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Spindoc,
Few people in the West know what "moderate" Muslims believe, even a Sufi like Sheikh Imran Nazir Hussein speaks of the death of the West as a certainty, and he's not talking about spiritual desolation but it's physical destruction.
"The friends of the Jews" are destroyed in Islamic eschatology and only "Rum", the Eastern Orthodox Christians survive armageddon to make peace with Islam, everyone else is converted or killed.
Why worry? Heck it's not like they have form eh?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 1 January 2015 7:32:58 PM
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'Morning Jay,

Of course there is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim however, it is such a concept that permits appeasers to support Islam. There is no escape from a destructive, murderous, medieval, butchering cult that embraces everything we Australians despise.

That said there are "Australians" who actually see merit in the wholesale slaughter of innocents. Otherwise they would not seek to appease Islam. When the passion for ones ideology replaces any semblance of real compassion, they are lost causes.

I have to wonder what sort of people in our society could condone the genital mutilation of ones children in the pursuit of religion. If anyone did this to my children or grandchildren, I would hunt them to the grave. Likewise I feel the very same towards those who tell me that "only some Muslims behave this way". Disgusting cretins.
Posted by spindoc, Thursday, 1 January 2015 8:30:24 PM
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I had been starting to worry that this ISIS mob would get so big that
they would attack Israel. That would have unleashed a nuclear attack by Israel.
It would have been literally a survival action.

Depending on Pakistan's decision as the only Islamic nuclear country
if it came in to attack Israel then the US would almost certainly attack Pakistan.

This nightmare fortunately looks unlikely to arise.
It appears that most of the ISIS is now composed largely of foreign
fighters many of whom do not speak Arabic.
This is putting the locals well offside and Isis is being pushed back
from their gains. There have been reports of ISIS executing its own foreign members.
We might be seeing the start of its collapse.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 1 January 2015 9:55:37 PM
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