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A nation of victims : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 24/12/2014

Owning any object for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence. Those trapped within the Lindt café were left helpless, as carrying items for self-defence is not allowed under State law.

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<Suse, the violence is increasing and there is more to this than it seems you are willing to
< accept.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 7:30:21 PM

Is the level of violence really increasing? or is it being reported more often?

Another thing is the language used, using emotive adjectives. One only needed to the listen to some of the commentators reporting in the Martin place siege and the type of language that they used.

"The look of terror on their faces" ect.
Posted by Wolly B, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 8:43:08 PM
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You say youd carried rifles to and from your school Wolly b I don't believe you. You would not be allowed to have a rifle in school what a silly thing to say carrying a gun at school a joke of course? What are cadets at school anyway other than playing soldiers or something? But not have a real gun while at school anyway.
Posted by misanthrope, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 8:52:54 PM
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LEGO, Conservativehippie,
Studies over the last 40 years have consistently shown that movies, TV, books and video games have no effect on levels of violence in a society nor do they drive people to commit criminal acts.
Canada and Australia have had the same Jewish TV shows and movies as the U.S for 60 years and both have nowhere near the levels of violent crime as the U.S.
There's no mystery and no need for complex theories about culture,it's very simple, the answer is RACE,RACE and RACE.
Areas like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine,Idaho and so forth, the areas which are still overwhelmingly White have similar rates of violent crime to Australia, New Zealand and Canada, around 7 per 100,000.
Areas like Detroit, Newark, St Louis and New Orleans have rates of violent crime of 20 per 100,000 and more, which puts them somewhere in line with Brazil, Haiti or Jamaica.
Negroes are violent by nature, their behaviour is unpredictable, they lack the intelligence to work through confrontations and bring them to a peaceful conclusion and no matter how much Whites or the more intelligent Blacks try to project their own logical, rational mindset onto them there's no way they can be safe living among them.
Take away Black crime from the U.S statistics and the "gun problem" disappears, if Obama is serious about reducing the murder rate he needs to hire some Israeli military advisors, seal off the ghettos and go house to house IDF style disarming every Black person in the country.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 8:59:29 PM
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Wolly,
You're correct, the rates of violent crime have been declining in developed countries since the early 1990's,by far the worst period for the U.S was the 1980's and the "cocaine wars" and even though the rates of crime among Negroes have also fallen sharply they are a stubborn hold over from that era.
I think this is the anachronistic image that the hoplophobes still hang onto, but their type still hasn't gotten over the fact that Stalin won and Trotsky lost so anachronistic ideals and misinterpretation of the facts is all they know.
If anything the saturation of advanced societies
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 9:06:46 PM
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Overall, I am in full agreement with the author. (This is one issue on which I depart the political left/centre left and parachute over into traditional right-wing territory.)

One factor I would add to the debate is that there is a worrying correlation between the global push to disarm civilian populations through tighter gun control laws, and the corresponding global push to militarise law enforcement and surveillance.

I don’t mean to go all Tea Party on everyone … but it IS worth noting.

Rhrosty

‘As usual, the anti gun lobby are the most vociferous when it comes to euthanasia, but withhold the most potent means of achieving that end!’

Yes, I’ve often noticed that paradox too. And I’m totally with you in that the proliferation of gun crime goes hand in hand with the war on drugs.

Jay

I don’t doubt your argument regarding gun violence and black populations. But you are leaving out the two other major distinguishing factors linking race to gun violence – poverty and discrimination
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:47:41 PM
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LEGO

‘Those cultures which have no regard for the law, and who instead value a macho mentality complete with medieval concepts of male honour, will have high rates of personnel violence, regardless of whether firearms are present or not.’

My thoughts exactly. Only I’m SO glad you said it … not me (as I'd simply be dismissed as a man-hater).

Suse

‘… many fatherless households after the two very violent World Wars did not produce an increase in community violence did it?’

True. I'd also add that, up until about the 1960s, a boy raised by a single mother was deemed to be in danger of growing up effeminate.

Since the 1970s, this attitude has made a 180-degree turn. Now the wisdom deems that a boy raised by a single mother is in danger of growing into a violent hood.

Women just can’t win.

**

And as a final word … Merry Christmas everyone!
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:55:26 PM
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