Happy Hanukkah (December 16, 2014) and Merry Christmas David Singer

Yes Monis the Bastard, Rapist and Murderer

Was consciously serving the interests of "Islamic" State.

Previous post mistaken.

Whoops wrong thread!!

Still, glad tidings for the New Year

I can see a time coming when we in the west re-introduce capital punishment. There are certainly many criminals who don't deserve any clemency from us taxpayers, who are, at present, forced to fund their continuing imprisonment. I, for one, object to financing the likes of Martin Bryant for the rest of his natural life!

I grant that most Australians oppose the death penalty. We have grown soft, many have religious objections, (Christians, not Moslems), and many others give examples of people executed and later found to be innocent. With very little thought, one can greatly minimize most of the objections, for example, executing only mass murderers, traitors, and drug pushers.

Well, to begin with, Duncan, I don't consider Chan and Sukumaran to be "Australians" anyway. They are just foreigners who have barged into our country and declared war on our children. This was courtesy of our stupid immigration and refugee policies, the same policies which which allowed mad Man Monis Haris into Australia to kill our people in the Lindt café.

But it is nice to see that Muslims don't have any problem with the death penalty. Perhaps as a cultural group they may have a positive affect on Australia after all. An aversion to getting your hands dirty with a bit of blood to protect your own people is a uniquely western concept.

My own opinions towards Indonesia will improve markedly when Indonesia shoots those two scumbags. The Indos are doing what we in the west are too high minded to do ourselves. If we are smart enough to begin genetically eradicating our worse criminals, perhaps we could "outsource" the job to Indonesia? We are "outsourcing" every other productive job, so I don't see any problem with having Indonesia get rid of our own scumbags. Ivan Milat should be first on the list.

I'm not a fan of capital punishment because of some practical concerns, mostly around lack of cinfidence in police and legal sytems to act honestly.

I've not seen any reason to think that in the case of the Bali nine there is any doubt about guilt. Nor any reason to think it was a spur/heat of the moment action. Rather a premeditated choice to take a massive risk in violation of the laws both here and in Indonesia and most if not all other countries.

As I understand it only the organisers are facing the death penalty. It won't sour my views of Indonesia if the advertised penalty of drug smuggling is carried out. No partucular desire to see them dead but there are far more deserving cases around of those facing injustice than members of the Bali 9.

Perhaps I'm providing an example if the authors assertions about gender, I have been told I have hairy chest (and back). On the other hand it could be the authors attempts to tie some emotive triggers on this issue to masculinity are yet another example of sexist stereotyping.

R0bert

Duncan,
Capital punishment exists in the larger democracies in the world, Indonesia and India, the more advanced, Japan, and the most democratic, the USA.

We in Australia have what may be called a binary electoral system whereby you can only successfully vote for the Coalition or Labour. If they happen to collude to abolish the death penalty then there is nothing much the average punter can do about it.

Unlike America, we don’t have citizen’s initiated referenda to pass legislation over the objections of our parliamentary “representatives”.

The inner city cognoscenti and eastern suburbs doctors’ wives will certainly lap up your report, but you may be on shaky ground if you think the average Australian shares your mercy for all, soft on crime, sentiments. Especially if, dare I say, you orientate most of your arguments towards the heart rather than the head.