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'Former' foreign fighters: separating the foes from potential assets : Comments
By Romain Quivooij, published 24/11/2014Not all foreign fighters return radicalised - many return disillusioned.
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Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:32:57 AM
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With $Billions being thrown at the Australian Defence Force, AFP, ASIO, State Police over the next few years to handle Iraq-Syria-Afgh returnees+ home-stay jihadis
- many exports and thinktanks will make $100 millions survicing DIY deradicalisation programs. The above organisations have loads of experience and common sense approaches. However there's nothing like the author's fairly opaque socio-psychologist speak for expensive in-house seminars to add $$$=Program credibility for any Aussie Programs. Unis in Melbourne, Sydney and the ACT should get stuck right into it. The business is already big and public in the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11068878/British-jihadists-to-be-forced-to-attend-deradicalisation-programmes-says-Cameron.html and no doubt other countries have PRUDENTLY lower profile programs. Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:38:41 AM
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Oh Bugger! Rhrosty
like a seagull to a chip you always get your jottings-ignoring-paragraphs-style in first :) Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:43:36 AM
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Extremists,terrorist, radicals are the labels coined and imposed by perpetrators whose only business have been to kill people and when such people reacted against repression and oppression they called them by these names.Now these devils are resorting to economic blackmail,bombarding,blocking them from making weapons which they and their fancies countries already posses and adding to their arsenal more and more deadly weapons.I often feel what is wrong in siding with your people who are mercilessly butchered,humiliated,inhumanly treated barging in to their homes and when they retaliate ,they are called terrorists.STOP meddling in their affairs as enough is enough.BE SANE
Posted by bulla, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:59:15 AM
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Save the lives by preventing these monsters from killings,on either side.
Posted by bulla, Monday, 24 November 2014 12:02:52 PM
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Anyone who goes to a foreign country to take part in armed conflict has committed an
offense under the Foreign Incursions Act. Thats it ! Posted by Bazz, Monday, 24 November 2014 12:41:39 PM
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Its a worry that IS is propping up the economy of much of Iraq and Syria as it actually sells oil to the Syrian Government and to Turkey.
-- On another issue, when: - members of our armed forces fight in the Middle East - Jewish-Australians fight in the Israeli Army or join Mossad or take out extra passports for Mossad, or - members of our armed forces moonlight in insurgencies, like in Burma should the Foreign Incursions Act also apply to these NON-MUSLIMS or is that Act really nudge-nudge-wink-wink aimed at MUSLIMs? Pete (from a Protestant background) Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 24 November 2014 1:36:55 PM
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In response to Bazz
And what about excursions/barging in to other's home by your so called defence and killing them,humiliating,inhuman treatment and that too based on concocted,made up /cooked up/bastardly lies.And when someone's families are killed ,by whosoever,you want them not to worry and just enjoy land grabbed by invaders.It is their business to side with anyone they want and not for others to meddle with as it is their pain and how they want to tackle it is their choice.Day is not far when those who were sent by these countries to fight and kill others will turn their back on their own countries on return after they have witnessed reasonless killings and devastation as happened in Vietnam,Iraq and everywhere else? Let us be human not like these bastards who surrounded with the top class security for self and family ,their children are no where to be seen around on danger area while they shed crocodile tears on others life lost,battered. Posted by bulla, Monday, 24 November 2014 2:24:44 PM
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Any idea what bulla is on about ?
I think he is complaining about the Foreign Excursion Act. That is there to prevent Australian citizens from compromising Australian neutrality. In the case of Iraq the Iraq government could complain that Australia is sending soldiers to fight the Kurds and the Iraq army. The Australian army as distinct from civilians is there at the invitation of Iraq. Posted by Bazz, Monday, 24 November 2014 4:49:43 PM
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I agree with Rhosty in spades. Best solution is to kill the ISIS volunteers in the field, next best is to lock them out of Australia for life. The lesson is to tighten up on right to enter and remain in Australia, depending not on ethnicity or manner of getting here and not primarily on wealth or skills but on willingness to contribute to Australia as a country worth migrating to rather than fleeing from. This means commitment to the individual liberties embodied in the Enlightenment and defended in the 1939-45 war against fascism. No commitment no acceptance. Placards or social media declarations proclaiming hatred of freedom from, not only for, any religious cult to serve as one-way tickets out.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 28 November 2014 2:33:44 PM
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I think he is complaining about the Foreign Excursion Act.
That is there to prevent Australian citizens from compromising Australian neutrality. What a joke?"Neutrality" and why Australia's their excursion is not same and cowardly act.They go where the masters orders and all wars they participated in did not have anything to do with Australia.They went to Turkey,Vietnam,Iraq and everywhere as stooges of British and America. Posted by bulla, Friday, 28 November 2014 4:16:26 PM
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At least that what these Islamist crimminals, [it's perfectly okay to lie to the non believer], would have us believe?
I just don't care if that's true or they're sickened by all the killing and or the spilling of entirely innocent blood; or intended victims who fight back with even greater, never ever defeated resolve!
They choose that mass murder pathway, and for which there must be consequences; and just for going there with intentions to crucify/kill/rape/enslave!
For mine, that would be the permanent cancellation of their Australian passports, and a notice issued and posted at all entry points. That these enemy aliens, should never ever, under any circumstance, be allowed to return or even seek so called asylum here.
And if they ever do, fingerprinted, their retinal details accessed and filed, then put on the first available plane back from whence they came!
Even if that were Muslim neighbors and friends, Malaysia, or Indonesia; who should be notified and warned; that is our policy, and without exception or any bleeding heart circumstance!
Given the groundswell, this is a contagious disease, and must never ever be allowed back in this country; least it affect other equally gormless gullible young men, looking for so called fun and adventure!
Rhrosty.