Thank you, Julian, I apologise, I have got you all wrong, I think.

Yes indeed, the world needs far more heroes like Malala - and I would have thought that, in the West and especially in Australia, they would have come from the Left, or at least left-liberals, or even conventional liberals, people who stuck up for human rights, the rights of women ? Am I just hopelessly old-fashioned ?

Isn't that what the Left is supposed to stand for, the rights of the defenceless ? I really don't understand where the Left stands any more. Surely not for fascism ? Quite disgusting.

Joe

Julian,

I did have a prior page which some how didn’t get sent yesterday prior to that sole post and I did not save it. Damn. Now to recall my thoughts

It was talking about how since the Reformation, came Humanism then Secularism and consequently some extremes. Thanks for that Julian.

Apparently even witches were treated okay until the reign of Elizabeth I - Middle ages not so dark afterall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendle_witches

http://listverse.com/2008/06/09/top-10-reasons-the-dark-ages-were-not-dark/

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/engl_258/Lecture%20Notes/how%20reformation%20leads%20to%20enl.htm

This will have to do for now. I’ve got stuff going on.

AND now we have frickin ISIS siege in Sydney. There you go.

Julian,

Oops, and as a consequence, with strong Secularism (& Post Christianity) and now the problems with Islam.

So this post was suppose to precede my post yesterday and now written hurriedly. Oh well, as long as I get something out.

Yes, Julian, conservatism is about preservation and why didn’t the West do that instead of proceeding with the Enlightenment (with the delusion of progressions - only divisions!) and stick with its original roots. Politically I’m pretty conservative, and the closest description I’ve found is South Park Conservative (classically liberal and a right to offend). We should have preserved the original Christianity we had before the so called Enlightenment and the escalation of the individual leaving community behind. Seems to be a big difference between Humanism (Protestant) and Humane (Catholic/humanity). Catholic does mean liberal after all.

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/engl_258/Lecture%20Notes/how%20reformation%20leads%20to%20enl.htm

How come you haven’t mentioned other positives like art and philosophy and beauty in general? And science was already happening. Look at Friar Roger Bacon. And he was not alone Pre Enlightenment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon
Bacon's Opus Majus contains treatments of mathematics and optics, alchemy, and the positions and sizes of the celestial bodies. He even predicted the future of modern transport. And the Vatican to this day has Astronomies at home and the US. After all it does reach for the Stars!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV_of_France

http://richard-hooker.com/sites/worldcultures/ENLIGHT/PRE.HTM
Louis XIV and his and France’s own enlightenment.
“The Reformation had led to a series of violent and terrifyingly cruel wars of religions; states erupted into civil war and thousands of innocents met their deaths in the name of national religions. Absolute monarchies were originally proposed as a solution to these violent disorders, and Europeans were more than willing to have local autonomy taken away in exchange for peace and safety.”

Cont...

And now the Moslems are on the rampage while we suckers cosy up to them and define them by their sugar coating. Meanwhile they are safe from violence in their mosques and their "communities". And the pay-off from importing them is already in place - the pollies in a huddle to plan more police state legislation, more power and resources to ASIO and related securocrats. Expect new surveillance over the Internet for as start. Hope for a new crusade against Islam in favour not of yet another religion but in favour of the liberty that has been wrested from its enemies over many centuries. Backlash now!

As for the securocrats, they know who the jihadists are, they know who are heeding the call of the Koran, so how about rounding them up and chucking them out of the country after two or three decades of harsh incarceration?

....Cont

"The two centuries that bracket the Enlightenment saw the development of absolute monarchies and more tightly-centralized national governments; the growth of the absolute monarchy is regarded as many historians as the origin of the modern state. Europe consequently saw the gradual erosion of local power and autonomy and the rise of national legislation and civil bureaucracies. Because this growth in absolute and centralized power of the national government and the monarchy, this age in European history is generally called the Age of Absolutism (1660-1789). It begins in the reign of Louis XIV, and ends with the French Revolution."

Peter Vexatious has been saying a bit about this and the actual importance of a Monarchy. He seems to know a lot about Western Legal history.

“If you are against God, you are against Man.” In other words, if man create their own Gods (for eg. the rise of CEOs and their repulsive salaries etc) in all forms, heaps of problems will ensue. Man must look above themselves. Otherwise, what really is there? And please do not bring Islam into this, it is not a religion. More political cult. Mohammad was a ruthless warrior and all the rest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VIII_of_England
I forgot to bring up Henry XIII. Not a virtuous start for the COE. Syphilis infected and obese who wanted to be rid of a few wives. He got away with his first annulment but the Church would not accept his second request to rid another wife. Then after rejection soon became cruel and tyrannical. It seems Henry would have made a model Muslim man.

Bring EXPULSIONS of the past back. The Catholic Church I'm sure had warranted reasons for doing so in order to PRESERVE and PROTECT themselves in getting rid of the rubbish. Bring back classical liberal conservatism. As we have been hijacked by nutters, Muslim and all the Non Muslim luvvies.