Gees Joe,
you'r getting a bit cocky and sententious, as though you've had a victory. You've given me something to think about, something to consider apropos the stance I've been taking, but I don't find your position compelling. I'm just constrained by time (I still work full time), which means I can't deal with the problem adequately. But it's on the back-burner.
There's also the outing you've been exposed to by Andee; you've yet to explain the discrepancy between between official stats and your own. But then everything you've said is full of holes and it seems to me driven more by ideology than insight.

"People seize opportunities as individuals. They aren't stupid, and neither do they march to some hidden Leftist drum of resistance and cultural conservatism. Nowadays, Aboriginal people can see for themselves what is involved in modern society - after all, they are part of it - the great majority of Indigenous people alive today have been born and raised in modern, urban environments - and take its facets for granted as much as anybody else - and make their choices accordingly, like anybody else."

Since most aboriginals are now cosmopolitan, how do you account for their still commonly living in squalor in the burbs?
And what 'facts' do they take for granted? Their own despised condition?

Hi Squeers,

Welcome back. Who's Andee ? Do you mean imho ? Perhaps you have the wrong thread.

As for the stats, they're freely available on:

https://education.gov.au/student-data

Ah, it IS called the Department of Education, this year.

Yes, you may say, not all the stats that I use are on that web-site. Yes, indeed. Some of the stats that I've been collecting for twenty-odd years are now hard to get. So sue me.

Imho could easily have checked the ABS Census 2011 table of 'highest educational attainment achieved' or whatever it's called: she would have found evidence there of (back in 2011, i.e. graduate numbers up to the end of 2010) of around 29,000 Indigenous graduates. Add a couple of thousand at universities each year, and another thousand or so at TAFE Colleges (i.e. full degree graduates), give or take, each year since 2010: at least 38,000 by the end of this year.

So how many ways do you want find out about 38,000 Indigenous university-level graduates ? Rough figures from random universities help.

Why do you and imho WANT few graduates ? What the hell agenda does it serve to be comforted by the thought that very few Indigenous people have ever succeeded at tertiary study ? WHY do you WANT to believe that ? Does it make you feel better ?

Aboriginal people are, on the whole, not victims. Yes, sure, kids in remote communities are, but what are the causes of that ? What can be done about that ? Who might serve as their role-models, and what pathways can be broadened to smooth their way from the hells they're living in to their rightful futures ?

How can the remnant forces of Indigenous victimhood be eliminated ? Any ideas ?

Joe

Joe

‘Thanks for that complete rubbish, and quite irrelevant rubbish at that.’

You’re welcome.

I went off topic because I was thoroughly bored with your repetitious and long-winded posts to me about a subject I kept telling you I didn’t want to talk about in the first place.

Sorry, Killarney,

The topic is "Playing the victims". I raised the issue of Indigenous higher education successes to refute the notion that all Indigenous people are victims (and that ultimately, none have to be). You disputed my figures. I provided a basis for my figures.

I think the ABS took its figures from a Review of Indigenous higher education, which used very questionable figures, and even then, only up to about 2005. The figures I use are from the official Education Department site [ https://education.gov.au/student-data ] which are current up to the end of last year. 2014 figures will come out in July next year.

You can ignore them if you wish, and stay content in your prejudices. You come to the paddock with your bat and ball, demand that other kids play cricket, it's your bat so you go in first, you're bowled first ball, so you grab the ball and bat and storm off, cricket is such a silly game anyway, nyah nyah.

But sooner or later, there will be fifty thousand Indigenous university graduates out there, and a bit later (say around 2032) one hundred thousand graduates, a quarter or a third of all adults. You can't stop that. But you're free to plug up your ears and shut your eyes real tight :)

Joe