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Listening for the future : Comments

By Rafe Champion, published 28/10/2014

The approach to leadership and community development that is spelled out in this slim volume is one of the more durable products of the consciousness-raising movement of the 1960s which had its epicentre in Southern California.

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The article is a triumph of bafflegab language from the beginning. The first sentence is "The approach to leadership and community development that is spelled out in this slim volume is one of the more durable products of the consciousness-raising movement of the 1960s which had its epicentre in Southern California."

"Epicentre" should be replaced by centre, and reserved for describing earthquakes.

Laws are precise formulations. Laws of nature can be quantised. Civil and criminal law specify obligations, acts, penalties if applicable and duties. What the article calls laws are really generalisations which like other New Age products have the irrationality of religion with none of its occasional majesty.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 9:03:42 AM
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"In 1971 Werner Erhard provided the starting point with est, Erhard Seminars Training."

And here I was, thinking that EST was a 70's mind-control cult. From memory, it was the one where they'd feed people kool-aid and cookies to give them a sugar buzz, lock 'em up in a "training room" for hours with bouncers forbidding people to leave and no toilet breaks, and then harangue them. After enough of that, people would emotionally break down and leave feeling they had gotten - well, something anyway. Maybe enlightenment. Certainly an altered mental state.

"1. How people perform correlates to how situations occur to them.
2. How situations occur arises in language.
3. Future based language transforms how situations occur to people."

LOL - note the denial that the Real World has anything to do with anything. Gorgeous. I'd love to give these people jobs, say, putting our oil-well fires, and see how well they do handling the situation by managing the language they use to describe it.
Posted by PaulMurrayCbr, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 1:06:47 PM
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Yes at the time EST was a mind control cult. It certainly had zero/zilch/nothing whatsoever to do with the profundities of Zen philosophy and culture.

On the other hand it could be said that EST was at least on the fringes of a wild experiment that occurred in certain sections of USA society in the 1960's and early 1970's. Experiments which tried to envision some kind of more holistic alternative to the stifling buttoned down one-dimensional paradigm that was then in place.

Experiments which probably could not even occur in todays world dominated as it is by the neo-"conservative" power-and-control imperative, and the simultaneous puritanism of white christian (no fun) fundamentalists.

Experiments which were effectively shut down by the technocratic "realists" via the applied politics of Margaret Thatcher in the UK and Ronald Reagan in the USA. The admirers of which still lament that Western "civilization" fell apart due to the pernicious influence of the 60's and 70's.

It could also be said that California was the epicentre of such experimentation, with the Esalen Institute being one of the principal places where such experiments occurred. Other outfits involved in this experiment were the Naropa Institute in Colorado and Lindisfarne Association which originated in New York. The founder of which also participated in various Esalen seminars etc. His reflections on what happened are introduced here:
http://www.wildriverreview.com/LINDISFARNE-Cafe/Memoir/Farewell-Address/William-Irwin-Thompson

One of the outfits that still exists as a result of those times is the California Institute of Integral Studies.

That having been said I dont think many admirers of either Popper or Hayek would have had much to do with any of what these various institutes were and still are exploring.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 2:25:07 PM
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So. Hayek. An economist.

Kindly help me out here, Mr Champion.
What are Dr H's key assumptions regarding global resource availabilty and global economic growth?
Posted by Sir Vivor, Monday, 3 November 2014 11:52:11 AM
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