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Ebola is not the only, or most dangerous, challenge we face : Comments
By Peter Curson, published 28/10/2014So far 120,000 people have reported being infected but the real figure is probably closer to 200,000.
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Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 3:45:34 AM
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Lego, you are the last person to talk about a "mindset". Did you actually read my comment? It asked some questions that I and many others think are worth asking. The answers may or may not assist, but that is the nature of free inquiry. There is obviously scope for differing interpretations of the answers, but again that is normal.
You persist in claiming I have a "hatred" of America. That is simply bizarre. I disagree with many policies that the US government pursues, but I am hardly unique in that. Many of the strongest critics are Americans themselves. Only the deluded accuse them of hating their own country. I also disagree with many of the Australian government's policies. In your peculiar world view I am not therefore part of Abbott's "team Australia" and therefore a "hater". I know that I am wasting my time with you, but would it be possible, now and again, that you address the issues rather than continually venting your ignorance and bile in personal attacks on people who raise issues you either don't like, don't understand, or simply disagree with? Posted by James O'Neill, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 8:30:03 AM
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The link between vaccines for some of these nasty diseases and population might be through improved child survival. Many people believe, although this is disputed, that poor Third World families have more children than they really want as insurance against childhood deaths. Once people can be confident that nearly all of their children are going to live, they are likely to have fewer of them.
Even if the CDC were as nefarious as James O'Neill or Arjay think, you wonder why they would bother developing pathogens, when Nature is doing such a great job on its own. Just take huge numbers of malnourished people crammed together in Third World cities, where they are forced to live in filthy conditions with inadequate health care. A perfect environment for the mutation and spread of nasty pathogens. Add immune-suppressed people in the developed world and lots of international travel and trade. Now wait for a global pandemic. Now that we can sequence genomes, it is easy for scientists to see how diverse a pathogen is, how long ago it might have jumped from animals, and how it is spreading from patterns of mutations. See for example the article on the Ebola genome on p. 1369 in the Sept. 12 issue of Science. It would be very hard for the germ warfare people to fake a natural epidemic under these circumstances, not to mention the dangers of it killing the "wrong" people due to widespread travel and trade. It is LEGO who is talking sense on this issue. Posted by Divergence, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 11:57:29 AM
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Hi everyone,
Arjay, It seems that secure hyper text transfer protocol web addresses (https://) aren't recognised by this website as hyperlinks. The webmaster for the site needs to update it and add https:// to what it recognises as hyperlinks. Youtube is https:// and you need to copy and paste these links into the address bar manually. I'm fairly sure the first youtube link I added in my comment yesterday went to the same video which is contained in the article you posted. The second went to a video in which Bill Gates apparently wants to force vaccinnate people through genetically modified mosquitos, but there isnt a lot of info in that video on that issue and I couldnt find any others to better confirm it. Lego, I didnt find anything wrong with James O'Neill's points and questions. (But don't think I'm having a go at you either because I think all of us are entitled to say whatever we think, even if sometimes whats said seems a little different to the general concesus.) I myself think the US Government resembles a terrorist organisation because they arm, train and fund terrorist organisations. http://rt.com/op-edge/190784-isis-un-threat-obama-coalition/ They also work to overthrow governments, many of them democratically elected. http://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list Our government has also supported and helped the US to achieve its goals. I don't begrudge the average American Joe. They may have unwittingly chosen leaders who have done things that weren't necessary in their best interests but I dont believe that things are really all that different right here in Australia. Take what happened to Gough Whitlam for example or our unwavering support for the US and Israel. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 11:57:35 AM
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James O'Neill, did you follow up the answers that I provided to your questions? Were they satisfactory?
As to the notion of whether increasing vaccination against diseases in the Third World would reduce population growth, there is a very strong correlation between quality of health systems, affluence and number of children per woman. Here is the comparison between GDP per capita and fertility http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic-economic_paradox#mediaviewer/File:TFR_vs_PPP_2009.svg and a comparison between number of children per woman and infant mortality rate http://pages.uwc.edu/keith.montgomery/Demotrans/demtra15.gif . Of course the two items themselves are intertwined. Better health care means more lifelong productivity means more affluence. So yes vaccination programs are quite likely to reduce the population growth rate by allowing more, healthier children to reach adulthood, who will then have many fewer children each than would otherwise be the case. Posted by Agronomist, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 1:02:26 PM
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Well I gotta give credit where credits due. Nice Work Agronomist.
Thanks for helping make sense of a difficult issue, and sorry for going slightly off topic regarding the authors main points that Ebola is not the only, or most dangerous, challenge we face. I'm not sure I agree completely though, because I'd rather have a disease I can recover from than one that is likely to kill me, even if I am at a greater risk of catching the lesser disease, so I'm not surprised that the scare from Ebola is more talked about. Also news coverage these days seems to be less about local news and more about global news. But here's an article I found though that relates to the topic. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/mosqitoes-to-invade-north-queensland-in-bid-to-eradicate-dengue/5525226 Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 2:01:22 PM
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This self hating agenda has been propagated through the environmental movement. It is a common attitude now that humans are a blight on our planet and numbers must be drastically reduced.
As Prof Boyle says in this clip ,if you weaponise disease ,you must have the vaccine before releasing it. The problem with weaponising viruses is they mutate quickly and you need different vaccines. This new weaponised Ebola may even get out of their control.
The other point made on this clip is that would you trust the CDC's vaccines if they have patents on Ebola? They used to put Thermisol ( mercury)in vaccines as a preservative.
They are telling us on MSM that there are only 10,000 cases but the reality seems to be 10 times this number.
Armchair Critic, 2 of you links are not working. Highlight the link and hit 'control C' to grab it, then 'control V' to put it on this page.
I posted this about Ebola on OLO on 7/10/2014.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6591