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Climate science mistakes betray the poor : Comments

By Tom Harris and Tim Ball, published 15/9/2014

Allocating more importance to the unpredictable problems of people yet to be born than the serious issues faced by those suffering today is immoral.

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This has to be the height of absurdity - having contrived TV weather casts from the future. That is in breach of all 'news' principles - how have broadcasters been co-opted into this? Terrible! And actually, if you READ the science reports of the IPCC - like the Technical Summary - just read the last couple of pages 114 and 115 - you find that the real SCIENTISTS of the IPCC do NOT predict any crisis. It's the green agenda writers of the Summary reports (which, as Donna Laframboise revealed are all Ex WWF or Greenpeace communications people!) THOSE are the people creating climate hysteria. The IPCC scientists can't explain why theres been more than 16 years of cooling when the climate models (which used to be close to reality) are so far off track some people say the Canadian model (that taxpayers are paying for!) is 690% off the mark! What?!! In what bueinss would that kind of error margin ever be acceptable or continue to receive funding?
Posted by HistoryBuff, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 11:50:13 PM
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It certainly is absurd not to include ocean (and other water ecosystem) algae plant matter in AGW and IPCC climate science.
It is also absurd that Legislation has been introduced to charge business and consumers, including to the extent of causing worldwide inflation and some business collapse.
According to the article author here, spending on climate finance now totals nearly one billion dollars per day.
Immoral is not a strong enough description of the confusion and waste of money and time that is incomplete unsubstantiated claims are causing.

I think it extraordinary meteorological weather science does not include marine biological science, especially as over 50 percent of world oxygen involved in atmosphere and precipitation, is produced by the ocean.
Precipitation parallel to and above coccolithaphore algae plant matter in Bering Sea waters can be seen in close up of pinpoints of cloud actually forming. Although posted previously on OLO I post the evidence again, here:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=4071

Further, off the coast of Argentina pinpoints of cloud can be seen forming in apparent association with ocean algae plant matter, here:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1838.html
Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 8:41:32 AM
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ConservativeHippie says
“Well except for the fact a mini-ice age occurred in the mid 1700's and the warming has been steadily increasing at the exact same miniscule amount per annum ever since.”

Direct measurements of Global temperatures at best go back to 1850 and do not become very reliable until the early 1900s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/temperature-monitoring/image001.jpg

Looking at the above figure it is clear that the annual rate of warming has been anything but exactly the same, with temperatures declining up 1910, and then shooting up until mid 1940, when they took a dive for about a decade before climbing steadily to the present.

As for what happened from 1700 to the 1850s we have to rely on proxies which are not nearly accurate enough to establish what the exact annual temperatures were. From Historical records we know that Europe experienced some very cold winters in the 1700s which are looking more likely to have been caused by large volcanic eruptions in Iceland, producing dust that that blocked some of the sun’s heat from reaching the surface.

Ice ages are caused by shifts in the earth’s orbit and orientation, they take some 10,000 years to develop and what ever caused the cold European winters of the 1700s it was not any change in the earth’s orbit.

As for the idea that the sun’s power has increased and that is the cause of higher temperatures particularly since the 1970s, that does not work as we have been measuring its output with satellites over that period and we know that the output has remained remarkably constant and if anything has declined on average over the 11 cycle.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/solar.htm
Posted by warmair, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:18:49 AM
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Wobbles, that 97% figure went to its grave sometime ago.
It turned out to be something like 40%.

Re the TV wx presenters, I'll bet quids that the ABC will be there with bells on !

Look again, you are all worrying about the wrong problem.
Runner may have been closer to the mark;
It appears that IS might have designs on Saudi Arabia.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 1:58:15 PM
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