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Our submarines to be built overseas? : Comments

By Peter Coates, published 12/9/2014

While Abbott may be saving money, uncertainty, control and risk over the next 40 years of the future submarine program should still be considered.

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No Plantagenet you are wrong.
Non of those you listed have a religious imperative as orded by Allah
to put to death infidels and those that are of the book offer either
submission to Islam or pay the Jeziz tax or be put to death and your
wife and children be sold into slavery.

Think that is silly ? It is being done by IS today.
Do you think they would treat us any better than the Shiites ?
You have to remember these people have been marrying their cousins
for generations and no longer think like us.
Look up NSW Parliament Hansard report and House of Commons reports.

Has the world had to go to war with Buddhists every couple of years ?
Is there any other religion that has declared war on the rest of
the world so regularly ?
What Islam does is war upon those who are not moslems (except Shiites)
They get a serving because they are not Moslems so they say.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 22 September 2014 8:47:23 PM
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But who will take over Australia first - the Chinese Communists armed with H-Bombs or the Caliphate merely armed with Paki A-bombs?

See footage of a Chinese airdropped H-bomb tested in the 1960s http://youtu.be/BuX5xug9prk

Note what appears to be the sun in the fireball sequence to the left of that fireball.

Thanks to goldenpanda translators for the narration:

"bomb away!"

"The hydrogen bomb gently falls toward the ground. It will be exploding 2900 meters above ground level"

"9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, detonate!"

"June 17th 1967, at 8:20am, our nation's first hydrogen bomb achieved success!"

"A brightness appears by the fireball. It is indeed the sun."
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 22 September 2014 9:15:42 PM
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In referencing the Falklands, I was thinking of the Sheffield, taken out by an exocet missile. Although launched from a plane, it could just as easily have been launched from a land based battery.
The greatest advantage of bunkers over ships of any kind is of course depreciation. Whereas a ship may have a life expectancy of 20-30 years before requiring expensive replacement (assuming it doesn't actually see battle, in which case the life expectancy can be measured in minutes) the bunker could conceivably have a usable life measured in centuries.
Weapons of aggression force antagonists into escalating costs and weapons development. This may have strategic value if you are certain your pockets are deeper than your perceived enemies; certainly the arms race all but bankrupted the USSR.
There doesn't seem to be much chance of Australia bankrupting China.
Mass produced defensive limited range shore based missile defence systems sends the message we are echidnas, not sharks (attack us and you will get hurt).
If our major concern is protecting our resources, then the goal should be making it abundantly clear to the world that the cheapest way to get our resources must be through trade, not conquest.
Posted by Grim, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 8:18:16 AM
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Grim, your last two lines illustrates why the accusation that oil was
the reason for the Iraq invasion is a lie.
Iraq, and indeed all the export countries were keen to sell to the world.
Another is that US only gets a very small percentage of its import oil from the Middle East.
That is why an export ban would not worry the US.

Iraq had WMD or has everyone forgotten the Sarin gas they used on the Kurds and Iranians.
In any case I saw Saddam Hussein boasting that they were bypassing the
bans on supply of devices used for nuclear weapons. He was speaking
about their weapon program. It was no secret it was on BBC World !
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 8:33:55 AM
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Hi Grim

An even more fitting example of use of a bunker to fire anti-ship missiles was in 2006. That year Hezbollah fighters fired anti-ship missiles from a Lebanese coastal bunker that hit the Israeli corvette http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Hanit . This damaged INS Hanit but it managed to return to Israel in one piece - under its own power. A second missile in this same Hezbollah salvo struck and sank an Egyptian merchant ship. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile#History .
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Hi Bazz

Not only did Iraq use mustard gas but it had a nuclear WMD program. However both the chemical and nuclear WMD programs had been destroyed long before Dubya's notionally "anti-WMD" 2003 invasion of Iraq. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 3:52:55 PM
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I thought this blog was about submarines....
Posted by AlexJ, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 3:56:42 AM
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