...No racial vilification law will save Jews from the inevitable revenge of the Arabs, wherever they may hide! Sorry about that!

@Dan

<<...No racial vilification law will save Jews from the inevitable revenge of the Arabs, wherever they may hide!>>


LOL. There were anti-Jewish passages in Islamic texts from day-one.
And one of Islams first acts was to ethnically cleanse the Saudi peninsula of Jews.

This part of Dan's comment is particularly apt <<wherever they may hide!>>, in view of the below:

PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein: “Palestine in its entirety is a revolution… continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith… says:
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'”
[PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012

Neither will they stop these sort of incidents. School boys couldn't give a stuff about them. "
As ye sow, then shall ye reap."

David

Yes; and lets deport/exile those that want something different.
And while we still need to also protect free speech, or a right to offend; a bill of irrevocable rights would confer just that; and indeed, what virtually every Australian Politician seems will ready and able to resist, almost as if it were poison!
Just what is the problem?
Perhaps it's the thing every control freak fears above all else?
Loss of complete control, or an ability (or whim and caprice) to rob us of our rights removed from them?
If there's another more cogent credible reason?
I for one would like to know, just what it is?
If I were to say the only hell that exists are those we create ourselves, and given that were true?
Just what would they look like?
Well, how about the Middle East/Gaza/Syria/Iraq/Iran? The burial ground of freedom and or, basic humanity!
Rhrosty.

As ye sow, then shall ye reap."
VK3AUU,
If only Australian Labor supporters & Lefties in general would take note of that.
Conservatives too need to take heed & should not let themselves get panicked into pleasing greedy morons.

What is more damaging to children – being abused on the school bus or being used by their parents as pawns in their own personal agenda?

I wonder exactly what Jewish parents said to their kids? Would the incident have been put in some kind of wider social context about how kids who are insecure often bully smaller kids and that they often use some kind of difference like religion as a weapon. Young kids do not have the intellect to understand why simply being Jewish makes you vulnerable. Adults do not even have a plausible reason why Jews living in Sydney in 2014 are automatically victims. They point to the holocaust as if to say ‘that’s what I’m talking about’ but this is not Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. These kids are always on the lookout for another holocaust and it makes them very frightened even before they start school. Such defensiveness makes them an easy target for a bully. When kids are not given a reason for the danger they end up with an irrational fear of certain situations. When they see armoured guards outside their school they know there is something to be feared outside their school grounds.

If racial or religious abuse is not put into a proper context then one can only presume that the parents are trying to instil in their children a sense of unreal fear. They want their children to act according to fear and not reason. That fear stays with these kids and they grow up to be the paranoid adults who want to control every corner of society and stop people from even looking sideways at Jews. The police called this an isolated incident but some Jewish parents do not want it to be an isolated incident – they want to use it to scare their children into maintaining the irrational wall they build around themselves. The bullies were not Hamas launching rockets – they were just a bunch of school kids trying to make themselves feel a little better by threatening other school kids.

Any Laws present or future, would not have affected what happened on that bus one single iota, those thugs were already breaking half a dozen different laws anyway, legality was irrelevant, a non-factor.
Bully-boy gangs are a fact of human existence, it's virtually genetic for the lesser blessed young males to behave thus.
I'd bet those boys would have been just as likely to abuse a bus full of pensioners, or disabled, or any other group of ready victims who came along at just that moment.
We all know of them, I'd even bet that more than one of us has been them, to whatever degree. Given the massive lack of real empathy in the children today, due to our reliance on day-care etc, Industrialised Parenting, most have no ability to be other than entirely self-centred and emotionally stunted, even all the "nice" ones we all know. That bus incident should be seen in context with all those disgusting incidents that "go viral", both in the their commission and their transmission. It's not just the thugs and bullies who gleefully make and pass around videos of girls and disabled etc being assaulted and/or sexually abused, it's all the NICE kids too!
I dread to think what their kids, my grandkids, will be like as adults, and what sort of society they'll create, and I'm glad I won't be around to see it.

Has anyone got info on the abusing kids ? Were they Anglos or waht ? That would be of interest to most.

These two idiots take note. We cannot know the names of the alleged perpetrators because of their age. This is courtesy of these whacko academics getting stupid laws written. When these fools see what it causes they reckon we need more laws. Rubbish!
The cops know them, the reporters know them, the judiciary know them but we the people cannot?
These academics should hang their heads in shame for the absolute mess we are in because of the legal industry. Think on, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. These people don't want anything like the truth just more money. Disgusting article.

After preliminary agitation by anti-Jewish people Jewish Schools and schoolchildren overseas have become terrorist targets. This is what worried NSW security people so much.

Much of the risk is the predictable times kids enter and exit schools including school buses.

For example in Toulouse, France on 19 March 2012 a man drove up to the a Jewish school on a motorcycle. He dismounted, and immediately opened fire toward the schoolyard. The first victim was a rabbi and teacher at the school who was shot outside the school gates as he tried to shield his two young sons from the gunman. The gunman shot one of the boys as he crawled away, as his father and brother lay dying on the pavement. He then walked into the schoolyard, chasing people into the building...
See the rest at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings#19_March:_Ozar_Hatorah_school_in_Toulouse

I guarantee this incident either didn't happen or didn't happen the way the Jewish activists have described it, they lie about "Anti Semitism" all the time.
Remember young Alon Tam of Balaclava who said he was beaten with baseball bats by two huge,epithet chanting men for five minutes...but didn't need medical attention afterwards?
I mean, could the coverage be more pathetic, the lies more obvious?
Look at this photo and try not to laugh, and "Blonde Twins"...give me a break:
http://www.news.com.au/national/bondi-racist-bus-attack-jewish-schools-on-alert-after-eight-males-threaten-to-cut-schoolchildrens-throats-five-teenagers-arrested/story-fncynjr2-1227015883939
I'll show you a terrifying ordeal for a child, hold onto your lunch if you can:
http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Palestinian-Children-Killed-By-Israel02.jpg
"Slit their throats" has been trotted out a few times lately, notably in connection with the Sarcelles incident.
The boys on the bus are alleged to have chanted something like "Palestine Palestine, why have you taken our land?"...does that sound like something a group of drunk, middle class schoolboys are going to say?
Let's assume the bus incident did happen, that means we can point and laugh at Anti Racists and liberal educators for doing such a pathetic job of getting their point across.
70 years of Anti Racism and you still have kids running about screaming "Heil Hitler"...nice work, well done, gold star work Anti Racists LOL

...Anti racism laws are a "red" flag for the bored! So too are armed guards on school grounds. One daughter quietly extracted her kids from the school in question some time ago. They now attend a main stream public school ...we'll hidden thank you!

But Jay

Aren't you so anti-Semitic you consider Holocaust deniers a pack of wet poofs?

Isn't life a Jewish banking conspiracy for you?

Pete,
Holocaust Deniers are mostly liberal humanists who think that the Germans are "just like us" and that genial, avuncular Mr Hitler just wanted everyone in Europe to have nice things.
You use the buzz word "Anti Semitism", I use the buzz word "accountability", if Jews are going to let wingnuts and liars speak on their behalf they have to put up with being mocked and ridiculed by people like me. We laughed at Peter Reith when all those kiddies went "overboard" didn't we?
As for bankers I couldn't care less, I live from hand to mouth, always have, I've got no savings, no super and no investments so it's no concern of mine who's in charge of the banks.

Phanto,

"If racial or religious abuse is not put into a proper context then one can only presume that the parents are trying to instil in their children a sense of unreal fear. They want their children to act according to fear and not reason. That fear stays with these kids and they grow up to be the paranoid adults who want to control every corner of society and stop people from even looking sideways at Jews."

You know this for sure, do you ? Or is this what they call "projection", imposing your own fantasies on other people ?

Or is it anti-Semitism, pure and simple ?

Joe

This was an exclusive Jewish bus transporting only Jewish children. Why then did the bus driver allow on non- Jews,thus allowing this to happen? I think we need an eyewitness account.

No, Arjay, it was a school bus, it picked up any school kids along its route.

But perhaps you could read something nefarious and conspiratorial into that :)

Joe

AJ: *I think we need an eyewitness account.* not the bus driver though; according to news reports at the time, he failed to notice the incident at all!
I think this incident has been blown-up of of all proportion: Normal schoolboy rivalry coupled with an over sensitive community response!

diver dan

No its not blown out of proportion:

After preliminary agitation by anti-Jewish people Jewish Schools and schoolchildren overseas have become terrorist targets. This is what worried NSW security people so much.

Much of the risk is the predictable times kids enter and exit schools including school buses.

For example in Toulouse, France on 19 March 2012 a man drove up to the a Jewish school on a motorcycle. He dismounted, and immediately opened fire toward the schoolyard. The first victim was a rabbi and teacher at the school who was shot outside the school gates as he tried to shield his two young sons from the gunman. The gunman shot one of the boys as he crawled away, as his father and brother lay dying on the pavement. He then walked into the schoolyard, chasing people into the building...
See the rest at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings#19_March:_Ozar_Hatorah_school_in_Toulouse

@plantagenet It is blown out of proportion.

Some Asian kids got bullied on a bus, *crickets*.
That French woman told to speak English? *crickets*
An ABC reporter for being a different colour, *crickets*.
Some old guy beaten because he looked "abo", *crickets*.

Jewish kids gets bullied on a bus- everybody loses their minds, laws get reviewed, those schools get armed protection and the offenders would have gotten shipped to gitmo if Australia had one.

Seriously, I saw the mother on TV, if it wasn't pointed out she was Jewish, I wouldn't have known.

Listening to the year 11 young woman from the public school the 'attackers ' were reportedly attending you would understand it was, as the police described 'opportunistic', and the action of a bunch of louts who would have harassed anyone they came across.

Her and the police words not mine.

She showed our traditional values by speaking frankly without judgement in our quiet Australian voice.

She was interviewed by media and I heard the interview on the networked New Day Australia 4BC yesterday. That young woman, listening to the interview, was not coached. She was believable. One of the boys was a former student at her school.

The mother of the young woman on the bus, who was quite hysterical, and interviewed soon after the incident was 'disconnected' and her daughter when interviewed some time later sounded coached.

Why would the mother need the bus drivers name and why would she need to take his rego number? Why did she imply he was culpable because he left the scene? The employer would have those details. Why did the daughter focus on the bus driver? That focus was the mothers and irrelevant to the daughter given the events?

I heard all three interviews. The mother and the daughter interviews repeatedly by the media. The year 11 young woman I heard on the very early am radio only once.

I surmised and formed a reasonable opinion the incident may have been over egged and we will probably see as much once the courts adjudicate. The oldest boy was over 18.

I'll make up my mind once our liberal democratic court processes run their course. They seek truth, ignore the propagandists as well as the fear and the hate merchants. That is our tradition. The courts don't rely on media reports for their judgement, nor do I and nor should any of you.


We should be contemptuous of people like the authors here who have made up their minds before our courts judge.

It is the tradition in non democratic and illiberal societies to rely on hysterics, hearsay and propaganda to sway people.

Loudmouth - "You know this for sure, do you ? "

Of course not it is imply an opinion. Do you know for sure that it does not happen?

Arjay

Do you think Jews should get special Jew only buses in Australia?

Age of the alleged abusers is something I'm still uncertain of "Five youths, aged between 15 and 17, were arrested in Rose Bay in the early hours of Thursday morning but were too drunk to be interviewed at the time, superintendent Jason Box, the Eastern Suburbs local area commander, said." http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fnsw%2Fracist-abuse-of-jewish-children-on-school-bus-an-isolated-and-random-attack-say-police-20140807-101gei.html&ei=_33sU-faKYv_oQSqo4DQBw&usg=AFQjCNF3FI-SnACuYWfOHdgGsFoHvai6vw&sig2=1vJlFSyxxLU0N3Rd_lFwFQ&bvm=bv.73231344,d.cGU

If they were 15 to 17 just how would the authors see the racial vilification laws being applied above and beyond other laws that may have already been broken?

R0bert

This article is a load of crap.

The criminal behaviour of the louts towards the Jewish schoolchildren is already adequately covered in common law.

This article is just another spin job by socialist conservatives who are desperately trying to defend their state supported ideology of multiculturalism by using 18C to shut up their critics. The freedom to discuss any contentious issue of national importance is fundamental to a free and democratic society. These authors are evangelical crusaders to whom freedom of political discussion and democracy are an impediment to the implementation of their fairy land ideology which is failing everywhere.

Multiculturalism is exactly like socialism. How many times does it need to fail before educated and supposedly intelligent people like these two authors figure out that it does not work?

These two are hardly liberals if they think that freedom of speech should not be applied to people that hold opposing views to what they advocate. Thomas Paine would wondering what went wrong with you pair. You have now become the very people that in your youth you so vehemently opposed.

Multiculturalism is the various Elite's response to the success of People Power movements, such as Women's Lib and the Anti-Vietnam War movement onwards.
They saw a clear and present danger to their control of society so chose to allow the fruitbats to have their way, to divide and conquer(rule).
It has worked well for them too.

Read this:
http://www.jewishnews.net.au/holocaust-denying-bishops-visit-axed/35598
The ECAJ can directly influence the issue or denial of visas by the immigration department.
When Geert Wilders, a philo semitic commentator and Israel firster applied for a visa there was a similar outcry by the Left and Islamic groups yet he was allowed entry to the country.
So the immigration minister is answerable to the ECAJ, they are the only other group besides the government who can dictate immigration policy.
The 18c debate is another example of the power of the ECAJ over the federal government, so is the issue of Palestine so there's a growing and very reasonable perception that the government answers to the Jews first and the electorate second, that if a particular policy isn't acceptable to Jewish activists it's to be scrapped.
So in practice, after the Crown the ECAJ are the second most powerful group in society yet they're supposed to be immune from criticism or the kind of pro-active resistance applied to say, the state or the government?
This relationship between those who purport to speak for "the Jews", the government (all governments at all levels) and the state is unique, no other group has so much power, this perception that the government is controlled by Jews is why Jews are quite rightly seen as legitimate targets by those opposed to government policy.
If Jews can't take the heat, they need to step out of the kitchen and demand that the ECAJ and other Jewish bodies stop interfering in the operation of the government, stop the bullying, the lying and the race baiting.

When you compare the alleged treatment of private school Jewish students to the pre-meditated slaughter of over four hundred children in Gaza by the Jews in Palestine, what significance does it have?

The reality is that the Zionist lobby throughout the West have inordinate power over our Govts because of their close connections to our Global Central Bankers like the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs.

He who pays the piper,calls the tune.

If you are claiming that the Jews in Australia dictate are government policy, jay of Melbourne, 7you may be in breach of Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. A Jewish Australian can say he is "Offended, insulted, humiliated and intimidated" by your opinion which he thinks could have his ethnic/religious group held in contempt, and could cause violence towards his group as evidenced by the bus incident.

Grow a brain.

The parent are just using their kids as human shields. It's the parents fault.

Come back and complain when ca. 300 jewish children have been blown apart by bombs.

Dane,

Do you realise how despicable that sounds ? That Jewish kids can be terrorised in Sydney because of what may be happening on the other side of the world ?

Arjay,

The Rockefellers weren't Jewish, I think they were Episcopalians or Methodists. But the gist of what you write is that Jewish kids can be terrorised in Sydney because of what may be happening on the other side of the world ?

Wow, the Anti-Semites are coming out, from both 'Left' and Right !

Joe

Loudmouth:
Why do you say that people who have opinions about Jewish behaviour which are different to yours are anti-Semitic? This is deeply offensive but of course 18c does not come to the rescue in this case. Would you have the courage to call someone anti-Semitic if you were not so anonymous? Calling someone anti-Semitic in a public place where the identity of the person is known might make you guilty of libel. There could be great damage done to a person’s reputation if it were to emerge that they were thought to be anti-Semitic. Unless you could show conclusively that the accused had discriminated in their behaviour towards Jews then you would be in very hot water.

That damage is compounded not because Jews are any more affected by discrimination than any other group but because they have a disproportionate power to other groups. If you look at business institutions, media outlets and other organisations of power they have power that can easily be abused and it is this power that can cause damage to anyone even suspected of being anti-Semitic. For this reason alone you should be very careful about tossing around such accusations.

It is also a sign of great defensiveness when you call people names in response to their opinions. Calling someone anti-Semitic simply because they do not agree with the Jewish analysis of their own behaviour is clutching at straws. If you don’t agree then make a contrary argument and be content with that.

Calling someone else’s opinions ‘despicable’ also shows a very defensive attitude. An opinion is just that - you either agree with it or you do not and that is all you need to say. Opinions cannot be ‘despicable’ only people can be despicable and if that is what you are trying to suggest then this issue really has touched a nerve in you.

Well said phantom. In a quiet Australian voice, forthright and in the traditions of our great western traditions.

This is the only way we can deal with people who want us to change to embrace the vengeance and violence inherent in the traditions of their dark age religions. Both Jewish and Islamic.
Show how we differ, how our traditions ensure peace and how it is best for us all in the long run.

Well done.

imajulia,
Yes, fine but the ECAJ and similar Zionist entities are interfering in the operation of the government to an extent which borders on corruption.
That's a problem which can't be addressed with good manners and common sense.
Criticising Jewish lobbyists is political suicide, only people like Malcolm Fraser can get away with it because they're old, rich and mostly no longer effective in rallying people around them.
Remember the outcry over John Howard and the Plymouth Brethren?
If a Christian or Muslim group succeeded in lobbying a government department to secure a certain outcome, like a visa ban the Leftist media would hit the roof, you'd never hear the end of it.
Geert Wilders is a far more dangerous figure than Bishop Williamson yet he is allowed entry into the country, we know why, his wife is Jewish, he supports Israel and promotes the Holocaust narrative.

This is interesting.

I can find no reference to the school attended by the students who abused the Jewish children on the bus.

From experience this normally means only one thing, they were from a prestigious private school.

My editor mate who works for the Murdoch papers says while public schools are fair game reporting on misdeeds by private school students is very fraught.

Australia now has over 30 percent of its high school student body attending selective private schools. It offends my sense of what this country should be about but also flags these sort of incidents are likely to increase rather than decrease.

Steele, the media did name the school and the boys are supposedly Dover Heights locals,allegations of serious misbehaviour by private schoolboys have also surfaced in Melbourne;
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/gatecrashing-melbourne-teens-bash-crowd-controller-20140806-100ydz.html

Loudmouth,

You think Jewish kids are being 'terrorised'. What a good sense of humour you share with the author!

When I think 'terrorised', I think houses being bulldozed with one day's notice, armed soldiers entering your house in the middle of the night, soldiers arresting and taking away 10 year old children, women giving birth waiting at checkpoints, extra judicial imprisonment plus much, much more.

The one thing I don't worry about is Jewish kids in Australia. They are probably the most privileged single group in the whole country.

Dane,

When I started primary school in Bankstown, I was a bit careful near the 'big kids' in Sixth Class. When I started high school in Wagga, I was a bit terrified of the 'big kids' in Year 4 and 5. They were HUGE !

So a bunch of 15- and 16-year old gutless louts standing over 5- and 6-year-olds doesn't strike me as an even contest - but it could stand in for a fair definition of terrorising.

And, for neither group, the little kids or the louts, I don't think what is happening in Gaza - the rockets, the retaliation, the ceasefire, the rockets, the retaliation, the cease-fire, etc. - means much.

But if you want to use it to justify your racism, feel free, OLO is where you can vent. Keep doing it and we'll know more and more what you are really like.

Joe

We already have laws that protect people from threats of violence and public disturbance. We should not make laws that try to condition peoples thoughts but should make laws that ban the propaganda that discourages free thinking.
If a nations people were properly educated and told the truth, bigotry would naturally disappear as we would see how people the world over strive for the same things - peace and prosperity.
To anti-Semites - The jewish people are not the enemy - they are just people like yourselves - its the rich who control the world that are the enemy - sure quiet a few rich maybe Jewish - but its just the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists - The powers that be want us to pick an enemy (as long as its not them)

Joe,
You are the only racist here. You feel it is fine to treat Palestinians as sub human. Palestinians are being blown apart with high explosives then you give stupid analogies about 'big kids'.

The jewish lobby all around the world has pushed voraciously for multiculturism. Apparently our society wasn't good enough and needed to be 'enriched'. Thanks to powerful interest groups like the them it is now enriched. The rest of us have to put up with muslim thugs so why should they be any different? I have absolutely no sympathy for jews whatsoever. What a joke.

Btw. You may have noticed than Im not one of these moral simpletons who think because muslims are completely incompatible with our culture then it is ok to slaughter them or that that makes Israel our friend. There have been great jewish Australians but jews always put Israels interests above Australias. They have been a disaster for world peace and a core cause of animosity between Islam and the West. The are a major contributor to the growth of Islamic extremism.

Dane,

Can you understand that one thing has nothing to do with another, UNLESS you wish to claim that Jewish schoolchildren in Sydney are somehow complicit in the Israeli bombardment of Gaza ?

Perhaps you wish to suggest that Yazidis have only themselves to blame for the massacres and rapes carried out by Islamic State terrorists ?

Do you wish to claim that ? Or continue to defend your position, that " ...... I have absolutely no sympathy for jews whatsoever."

Joe

Oh no, Dane. Loudmouth is definitely not the only racist here. I am without doubt a racist and I am proud of it. And as a racist, could I congratulate you on your own racist opinions?

I agree that the Jews promoted multiculturalism and are now suffering from their own stupidity. I have some hostility towards Jews for that reason. I agree that Jews put the interests of Jews before all others, but that hardly makes them unique. Most ethnic groups put the interests of their own before others, the only exception being many white north Europeans who think that denigrating your own and always acting against the interests of your own people is what "smart" people do.

I am aware that the Jewish concept of social exclusion from others, their concept of religious superiority, and such concepts as the refusal to eat food prepared by non Jews has a lot to do with why other people do not like them. But they are still the most persecuted people on planet Earth and I recognise that they can never be safe without their own country to call home.

They have been ethnically cleansed from all of the middle east by Muslims starting with Mohammad himself. For the world's most foremost ethnic cleansers to complain about the Jews doing to them, what they have been doing to the Jews and everybody else who is not a Muslim for 1400 years, is a bit rich. Especially since if they ever succeeded in over running Israel they would make what is happening in Iraq and Syria look like mild by comparison. Israel exists. If the Muslims shoot rockets at them, I don't blame the Jews for shooting back.

Dane,

"They have been a disaster for world peace and a core cause of animosity between Islam and the West. The are a major contributor to the growth of Islamic extremism."

Ah! Yes, that small (minuscule?) number of Jews in India has caused all the trouble between Muslims and the other faiths of India.

Must have been the Jews that financed and led the Muslim invasion and all the atrocities that followed.

Good to have your clear thinking and erudite contributions.

Some facts about the Jewish community in Australia.
Why be Jewish?: Rabbi James Kennard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPn-pKx83GQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCNwBHIHfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UGJBa4ZP7M

Dane wrote

"They have been a disaster for world peace and a core cause of animosity between Islam and the West. The are a major contributor to the growth of Islamic extremism."

That is a racist stereotype which just violated 18C. Off to the multicultural inquisitors with you.

Oh, never mind. They won't prosecute you because they are just as racist as you are and they agree with you. They only prosecute right wingers like Bolt. Lefties may have freedom of speech, but right wingers may not.