Imajulianutter you say your philosophy is one of “peace” and “non violence”.

Well let me remind you that sometimes those two wonderful values alone do not yield a satisfactory outcome. Sometimes one has to speak in an evil way to evil if one wants one’s civilisation to remain in existence.

Do you recall what Winston Churchill replied when do-gooders asked what his goal was in the fight with Hitler? No, he wasn’t after a cease fire. And he certainly didn’t want to negotiate. His goal was:

“ victory; victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival“.

You are aware that Churchill in an effort to create maximum chaos and not in an effort to degrade the Nazi war machine in February 1945 flattened Dresden, killing up to 25,000 German civilians.

By your reasoning Churchill was in the wrong.

fairfax/abc/sbs is more interested in gay marriage than they are anything else. They despise the normal family and funny enough side with Islam in their Christophobic natures. You even had the pathetic Liberal woman on Q&A saying that Islam is a religion of peace. The Canadian theologian made them all including Tony Jones look foolish. Eating humble pie is not really in the recipe for the left even when their policies are shown to be a total failure. Look at their 'border control'. They still take the high ground after thousand plus drownings. As long as they can bang their mantras and pretend to be the compassionate ones they don't care how many deaths. Pretending to care about the Palestinians is just another case of their normal gross hypocrisy. Strangely enough I suspect they really believe by appeasing Islam they won't be in the firing line. No wonder they need gw as a great moral challenge.

The author, perhaps positioning himself for a berth in the Murdoch press, is incorrect.

Overall I think one can pick and choose what to read and what to believe from any mainstream media source.

Both the Murdoch and Fairfax media would be considered variations on Centrist in most countries. The media reflect and influence Australian politics in which the Coalition and Labor are also fairly Centrist.

Such Centrism is the benefit of the healthy skepticism of most in the Australian Electorate who distrust political extremes that purport to know and write the "Truth".

Hence extreme politics is a marginal leaning of only a few - thank goodness.

Pete

Oh runner

There you go about SEX again. Sex, sex, sex. Is it too big, is it too small? Is he up yours, are you up his?

Your father was Roman you know, and none of your cheek. http://youtu.be/pS9UWeoq7W

Dear Jonathon

Not at all. My reasoning is not limited by the circular nature of you philosophical vengeance and violence.

Here is the lesson that shows the difference between the Jews of Israel and the Christian west. It is a difference of philosophy.

Yes the west destroyed cities and killed civilians, but they conducted a just war in pursuit of a just peace. Yes at times we did things we should not have done and there is no real justification for them. At times shallow justifications unaligned with our philosophies are put forward. I reject them.
After the war the west punished war criminals, rebuilt the Cities and economies of our enemies. We encouraged reconnection with the world.
We didn't exact retributions. We learned that lesson after the first war. We learn lessons and try not repeat mistakes. We did not repress with lengthy occupation nor indulge in stealing our former enemies lands. Nor did we use collective punishments and blockades. We did not refuse return of refugees. Because of these we became friends, allies and we traded with our former enemies.

That was consistent with our philosophies of forgiveness and peacefulness.

Now these people you support, can you show me how they emulate our western behaviours?

You can't, you can only show part parallels all of which in isolation are in essence evil, when adopted without the just war, without the consequent forgiving and assistance and without ultimately seeking peacefulness and allowing freedom.

Those you support only seem to continually reek vengeance and retribution. Just look how the west has been peaceful and not surrounded by enemies seeking retribution and vengeance. Surely you'd have to think about that fact?

Now take note, I think in the same vein about extremist and moderate Islam and ask the same questions. What is different with my Muslim friends they never ever equate their behaviours with western behaviours. They have more brains, understand and acknowledge the evil in their scriptures and have great respect for the western values of forgiveness and peacefulness.

Now Jonathon

I do have to ask, was this deliberate and what did you think you would gain?

'Imajulianutter you say your philosophy is one of “peace” and “non violence”.'

I actually had said

'Our (Western) underlying philosophies are of forgiveness and peace.'

That does not preclude the use of violence and before you get all agog and choke with excitement:

We have and apply rules for when it is used and how it is used. See the Geneva Convention especially those clauses Israel would be in breach if it was a signatory.

My God still loves you Jonathon.