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Divorce: escape from a toxic marriage : Comments

By Mary Garden, published 9/7/2014

The pet idea of Minister for Social Services Kevin Andrews is a $20 million pilot project introduced this month where couples can get a $200 counselling voucher to encourage them to stay together.

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A voucher to encourage people to stay together is weird - presumably only those who want to try to stay together will apply. In which case the pilot scheme will be pronounced a success. But what of the counsellors delivering the service - will they be pushing a stay-togehter-at-all-costs barrow? I think the $200 would be better spent on pre-marital counselling so people don't go into marriages that they later regret and have children caught up in the crossfire.
Posted by Candide, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 7:43:29 AM
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For the most part I agree, I do wish your examples had been less female centric. They appeared to be reinforcing gendered stereotypes. Women reporting violence is mentioned while ignoring men who also deal with violence and other abusive behaviour from spouses, its also a reality that sometimes child care and financial outcomes are grossly unfair. Not the main point of the article I know but I think we will be a step closer to making divorce a less toxic environment when both the deliberate and incidental gender digs are removed from the discussion.

I'm if the view that Andrews should be focussing his attention on removing governments contribution to the toxidity of post seperation processes rather than token efforts to hold together shaky marriages. The plan as I've seen it looks a lot like a means to funnel extra money into relationship counselling services (with churches have a strong foothold in that industry). From what I've seen there is little if any evidence that a $200 voucher will make any difference to couples on the brink of seperating.

Making it easier for parents to work together at parenting their children post seperation by removing government supplied incentives to fight over residency would be a big start. Its a difficult area with no obvious easy answers but from my perspective the current government involvement makes it overall much harder to work together if one party is a player. There seem to be few checks and balances in the system to deal with issues of fairness or overall outcomes over time.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 8:44:00 AM
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Robert, I have known several male victims of domestic violence and there are no safe houses for them. I believe they get far less support from their friends etc. than female victims because of the view that they should "just man up". I am hoping to write a feature on this if I can get some interviews.
Posted by Mry Garden, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:01:07 AM
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Setting aside the easy cynicism that this is supposed to be an age where the 'entitlement' to such things as $200 government vouchers is at an end...

it would be more useful to combine some of Candide's and R0bert's points into a mandatory pre-marriage system requiring a non-renegotiable agreement stipulating the financial and other relevant details of any separation/divorce to be lodged as a part of the marriage contract.

A bit like some preventative medicine in order to save a lot of the future personal, social and financial costs of too many toxic marriages causing their version of toxic shock syndrome.
Posted by WmTrevor, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:17:34 AM
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In our current apparent 'budget emergency' I see no point in wasting money on either pre or post marriage counselling.

If the government can't find enough money to effectively support our sick, disabled or elderly citizens, then marital problems should come last...
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 10:10:28 AM
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Mry Garden
The service for male victims of domestic violence in Sydney suffered funding cuts in the recent NSW budget - they were told they had to share the same refuge with a women's service. You have to wonder what goes on in the mind of the government.
Posted by Candide, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 10:11:30 AM
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I have long given up on trying to understand the catholic attitude on marriage - especially the dictates re the marriages of other people by those who don't marry at all.
It has been bought to my attention that Kevin Andrew's wife (or perhaps both of them)has a substantial interest in a 'marriage guidance' business - a business that seemingly stands to benefit from the $200 voucher scheme.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 1:35:51 PM
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If $200 worth of counselling helps a couple repair a viable marriage then it's a good investment. I agree, though, that it’s counterproductive to try to hold a toxic or irreparable marriage together.

I know two couples who stayed together for the sake of their kids and divorced once their children reached adulthood. It cost them a lot in emotional terms and in foregoing the opportunity to build a better life. I respect their decisions but wonder whether it was actually better for the kids. Living with parents in a loveless relationship creates its own problems. These things are difficult and complicated – it’s not as simple as being pro- or anti- divorce.
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 2:45:28 PM
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A voucher to encourage people to stay together is weird
Candide,
probably no more weird than vouchers to entice kids to go to school. Once people do the basics of life just for money then there's no point in wasting time on them.
Stop making it so hard for people & the divorce rate will drop. It's only bureau rat induced stress that is the major cause for relationship bust-ups. As long as our authorities are allowed to be as incompetent & stupid as they got under Labor then we can't really solve any societal problems. Your average Council is so dumb & callous that it can ruin a couple's relationship in no time at all. Add to this the dumbing down of a couple's kids by our so-called education & the circle is complete. Australian Television then compounds the lot !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 5:04:43 PM
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MRY Garden women are controlling over men, having written posts regarding this subject with Robert( unknown) on another OLO story, women are always portrayed as the innocent party, but having lived from early childhood and through life where my mother treated not only us but my father with utmost mental and physical violence.
All writers must include both genders for any problem in divorce, not only how violent men are, I can vouch for the trauma of what went on in a supposedly "happy"marriage"
Posted by Ojnab, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:07:51 PM
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...Maybe Macca's should be compelled to sell "Bromide" sandwiches!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:15:37 PM
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...Hey "Indie"

...Less "honesty" please!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:23:31 PM
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