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By Richard King, published 1/7/2014Banning Badar's talk on honour and killing did no one any favours and does not further the cause of tolerance.
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 7:35:16 PM
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JoM,
Ghastly & utterly primitive animalistic madness. To think that Labor & the Greens are vying for the votes of such people is beyong human reasoning. It really makes you wonder who is worse those who come here or those who invite them here simply to build a greater voter pool. Posted by individual, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 9:40:32 PM
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"But Mr Badar is no pussycat, either, and there are many people (me included) who think his views should be better known than they are, if only so they can be rejected. A spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir – a group banned in many western countries but described in the festival blurb as a 'global advocacy group working for positive change' – he is a religious fundamentalist who agitates for Sharia law and the restoration of the Caliphate. Badar claims not to have liked the title 'Honour Killings are Morally Justified' (he preferred 'The West Needs Saving by Islam') but since he didn't make his appearance at FODI"
Hizb ut-Tahrir appears to have the same aims as ISIS-- hardly a very caring lot, judging by the article below: "Faces of war: The reality facing children in Iraq and Syria", http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/faces-of-war-the-reality-facing-children-in-iraq-and-syria/story-fnixwvgh-1226974107403 Mr Badar's preferred title, 'The West Needs Saving by Islam', is also misleading. Under a Hizb ut-Tahrir regime, one could assume that Westerners would be saved provided that they converted to Islam. Posted by Raycom, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 10:48:12 PM
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'The West Needs Saving by Islam',
Raycom, That's like saying we should put out the fire with Benzine. The West is hitting rock bottom but islam has already dug o lot deeper. Both suffer from the same afliction, utter stupidity. When you see Australians in Bali then you can't help wishing for some Sharia Law but when you see Sharia law applied to victims of Islam than all you can do is shake your head & start crying. What moron came up with the idea that stupidity should not be a crime. It would have been a western academic for sure. I'd say if anyone were to be singled out as being the cause of so much mayhem then it'd have to be those who exploit western values. As I said in another thread, western greed in Australia has gone so far that people are more than willing to sell the ground they live on from under their own feet just to make more money. That mentality is what's causing the evil around us. Public Servants who are doing the country a disservice by only looking after themselves. Posted by individual, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 6:31:50 AM
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KINGS/=y=QUOTE..<<..Since such people,..when they read at all,
tend..not to read..beyond the headlines,..that particular..genie cannot be crammed..back into its bottle.>> i sort/of got\to here but read on <<.But Mr Badar..is no pussycat,,,either, and there/are many people..(me included)..who think his views..should be better known..than they are,..[*..if only so they can be rejected.] GOOD POINT/but\..im not into judging others nor scape-goating..[blaming credit's..[honour]..through others never the less...i feel i can help those in\the wrong/may be known by their sign[..symptom] http://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/advocacy/respond-to-counterattacks/respond-to-opposition/main that little sins/hide bigger siNS http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html that/every evil/has its karma that great evil/only\allows the grater-good..in its ending. http://www.ghostcircle.com/ebooks/JSM_Ward%20-%20Gone_West.pdf i hate/that some men/are so ignorant that thinking functioning working women..so frifghten them and tha some have so little honour they murder other [god really loves what you did with 'your/life-gift' ie took it..[all live but by gods will/who ARE YOU TO KILL?] why is this even needing talkng about the law re murder is clear http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-government-wants-to-control-you-idiot/ http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-confiscate-healthy-baby-born-home/ http://investmentwatchblog.com/sarajevo-is-the-fulcrum-of-modern-history-the-great-war-and-its-terrible-aftermath/ http://www.orrazz.com/2014/06/obama-wants-500m-to-fund-good-jihadists.html Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 8:36:18 AM
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Rhrosty, Obviously you know little of Islam. Your information about Islam is based upon distortions, misquotes and fallacies. Your quote that Islam “forbids the spilling of innocent blood” is just a wishful fantasy. I think the verse you refer to is 8:32 and you left out two-thirds of the verse and it doesn’t say what you think. Read verse 33 also, which tells Muslims not only to kill but also brutally torture opponents of islam. If you want a verse about killing for Muslims, try 9:111. As to Jihad, “personal internal struggle” is a new version invented the last few decades to fool stupid, gullible infidels. Jihad, or “making an effort in the way of Allah” requires one to leave home, says the person may get killed but it promises booty. Sounds a lot like ‘holy war’ to me. Also, check ‘jihad’ in the hadith – ooops, more killing and plunder, or look at any jihadist site. As to the crusades, any Westerner will condemn the killing. Now ask a Muslim to condemn the 60+ raids and battles by Mohammad against his peaceful neighbors, who where looted, murdered, raped and enslaved by a man Muslims consider a moral example. Figure out, if you can, what that means.
Yes, all religions have problems, but Islam is in a class by itself. It teaches hate and violence, discrimination and oppression. Yeah, Islam can save the West like it saved Islamic countries. Read the headlines. No wonder Muslims want out, but they come to the West, like Badar, and bring Islam and Mohammad in their hearts. People like Badar can stand on a pile of dead bodies – innocents murdered in the name of Islam, and still declare the moral superiority of his vile ideology. Your excuses about “non-revised” or “unedited” verses are silly. The Muslims that do these horrible things find ample justification in the Quran and hadith; they don’t need fancy explanations about edits or need to reinterpret verses. BTW, the Quran says it is easy to understand (verses 54:17, 22, 32 &40), so how can anybody misunderstand it? Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 3:15:30 PM
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That interpretation of the Koran is selective and doesn't reflect the tone of the book or the wider body of Islamic law and teaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xCdehrV96U
"Religion of peace" is a catchphrase like "diversity is our greatest strength", to say that Islam is peaceful or tolerant is a misrepresentation of it's founding myths, it's laws and the way it's practiced in the real world.
Jesus and Buddha didn't go gouging out people's eyes, amputating their limbs and beheading them, Mohammed and his men did exactly that, the prophet is thought to have personally, by his own hand killed about 900 people.
This is Raqqua, Syria 2014.This is the true face of Islam:
http://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/crucified_by_isil-6.png
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Syrians-crucified.jpg