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Gary Gambill: sadly, there’s nothing the US can do to save Iraq : Comments

By Gary Gambill, published 30/6/2014

The Bush and Obama administrations both could have done more to ensure that the quasi-democratic system they left behind was capable of weathering the storm, but their errors are academic now.

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It all depends upon the oil and gas interests. BP Exxon, Shell Gasprom and China are all in Iraq.

Al Qaeda and ISIS are backed and financed by elements of the West. ISIS now may be autonomous.The Pentagon does not want war but the nutter element think they have to defeat Russia and China because the US $ is going down the toilet.

Notice how a little while ago Iran was the pariah state and now are being asked to stabilise Iraq. Some say the USA want to tie Iran up in a fight and eventually destabilise and take its oil.

Gerald Celente said yrs ago that Iraq would descend into chaos and was right yet again.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 30 June 2014 9:03:19 AM
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For war criminal Blair to state that the invasion by the coalition of the killing in 2003 was not responsible for the present situation just means he lives in a parallel universe.
Saddam was not a nice guy but, like Tito, he kept the lid on.
Whether he would still be able to is another question if he was still in power.
Circumstances change.
Methinks the Iraqi people do not have a brilliant future.
Posted by ateday, Monday, 30 June 2014 9:41:16 AM
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Well said Gary.

There is no reason why the state of Iraq should be preserved. The US's idea of bombing them into democracy obviously didn't work. If the configuration of borders ends up being more what the Sunnis and Shias would have settled without outside interference it might be better. And in any event it's hard to see how it can be more be worse than the dog's breakfast that the Middle East has been since the west carved up the Ottoman empire. Even if they fall at each other's throats, the irony is, it has more to do with the ten minutes since the Prophet died, than anything since!

"I understand the temptation to jump in and kill terrorists when the opportunity presents itself"

Excuse me? Please do not encourage the US in its unique and very bad habit of going around the world killing masses of people wherever it feels like. In terms of mass killings, the US has done far more, and more indiscriminately, than ISIS in Iraq. And ISIS is doing what the Declaration of Independence declares they have a right, and a duty, to do, which is throw off an imposed foreign government by force which they have in principle no duty to submit to or obey in the first place. Obviously if they asked permission to be exempted from Iraq's jurisdiction, it wouldn't work: the force they are using is commensurate with that necessary to negate the Iraqi governmental force holding them down to extract obedience and taxes from, as all states do. ISIS is only showing how all states originate.

Arjay
Ironical that the western states invade Iraq over oil while simultaneously destroying and nobbling their own energy industries.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 30 June 2014 9:57:39 AM
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I think the world can expect to see a few alterations to the its map of national borders soon.
In Europe, Crimea and perhaps soon the Donbas will show up as Russian. In the Middle East, Syria will be split between an Alawite homeland in the west, possibly including Damascus and the port of Latakia, and a Sunni state (already declared a Caliphate by the leaders of ISIS) running across the rest of Syria and into northern Iraq. Both these developments are already either done deals or well in hand.
Questions remain. Will the Kurds finally get their own state? I have read somewhere that they are the largest ethnic group in the world not to have a designated homeland. And if they do manage to declare and keep their own state, how much of northern Mesopotamia's oil will they get to keep? And what about the sizable Kurdish populations in northwest Iran and southeast Turkey? Neither Iran nor Turkey have shown much inclination in having their borders redrawn.
Another big question is the future of Jordan. As a state it has always been a bit of rump myth. Israel wants to kick all the Palestinians into it, but they don't want to go. ISIS might like to add it to their Caliphate, but that would bring them perhaps too close for comfort to Saudi Arabia. And the Yanks would lose a training ground for efforts to maintain the myth of "moderate" jihadists.
A prediction: Iran will prosper, and so will Russia.
Posted by halduell, Monday, 30 June 2014 10:42:40 AM
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I am surprised that nobody has explicitly stated the real problem in Iraq and many other countries in the Middle East and Africa for that matter.

Iraq is an artificial country born out of colonial convenience and the natural future for Iraq is to be split in three. Britain and France are mainly to blame for a number of such artificial nations coming into existence in the Middle East, and should admit their role in setting the scene for the inevitable subsequent civil wars.
Posted by Bren, Monday, 30 June 2014 5:16:20 PM
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Bren.
The Sykes-Picot agremeent wasn't an experiment in colonialism, it was a legitimate division of the spoils of war between the victorious parties in WWI.
Of course "colonialism" is only bad if Europeans are in charge right?
The fact that the Turks colonised that whole Mid East region and much of Eastern Europe is irrelevant eh?
Arjay and others.
No, the situation in the middle east isn't America's fault or their responsibility, it's all down to Islam, the Americans and before them the British,French and Turks have all held the eternal Islamic civil war at bay or kept the trouble to a minimum.
Islam is a cancer on the face of the earth, it has to be held back and ruled by divide and conquer tactics under outside forces otherwise Muslim armies explode out of Asia and the Middle East and slaughter every living thing in their path.
If the Europeans and their allies don't break up this ISIS caliphate then within decades Islamic armies will be marching on Athens, Sofia, Belgrade, Budapest...just like the other 500 or so full scale Jihadi excursions into Europe over the last 1400 years.
Stop listening to traitors and self hating Whites, we're not the problem, Islam is the problem.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 30 June 2014 8:42:35 PM
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Jay
Islam at its strongest was not capable of taking over Europe at its weakest.

There is no need for western intervention to hold Islam back. They will do it themselves because
a) of their divisive sectarian hatred
b) of their backwardness towards the world of ideas, and
c) their resulting technological and social retardation.

Plundering western taxpayers to make war on Islam only makes everyone worse off.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 30 June 2014 9:17:10 PM
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Jay of Melbourne, While Islam lives in the Middle Ages,the USA via the global corporate military industrial complex is responsible for a lot of poverty on this planet including the mess in the Middle East.

This system of creating all new money as debt has this planet enslaved and ignorant. If you read ' Confessions of an Economic Hitman' by John Perkins he reveals how they do it. Our banking system puts billions on this planet via corrupting Govts into debt and extracting cheap labour ,energy and resources as payment.

We sold off 4 state Govt banks and the Commonwealth and now have Govt debt of half our GDP. Russia and China have Govt Banks,state owned enterprises and these are the last big prizes that our Corporate elites yearn to conquer and bring in their New World Order of fascism.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 30 June 2014 11:07:55 PM
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I think that the best thing that the USA could do, would be to sell ammunition to both sides and let them kill each other off. Keep stoking the fire. If they are busy shooting at each other than they will leave us alone for a while.

Hopefully, the thousands of western Muslims now fighting for our enemies would get killed off too. This would be of great economic benefit for western countries, as most of these Jihadis seem to be on the Disability Support Pension. Of course, Arjay will scream about that, because he is probably going to lose a few of his brothers and cousins.

And there is nothing like a few mass executions to give our tolerance fanatics pause for thought. It can hardly be called "Islamophobia" when they really are trying to kill you, and have no compunction at all of mass murdering each other in the name of Allah. Multiculturalism, anyone? It's funny how the Brits are getting the blame by the left for "not thinking about ethnic territorial divisions when they created Iraq." The British Left are still not thinking about them because they are causing the same ethnic divisions in their own country with their stupid immigration and refugee policies. Multiculturalism is a white, left wing persons concept. The Arabs obviously don't want a bar of it.

I think that this is the most wonderful development ever. The Roman emperor Tiberius once quipped that the Germans were not worth civilising, and the Yanks are probably coming around to that conclusion about the Arabs. Of course, the yanks are stupid providing the Egyptians, Pakis and Iraqi's with F-16's and M1A1 Abrams tanks, after all, the Romans were stupid enough to let Alaric and his Goths settle in Roman lands, but they were not stupid enough to provide Alaric and his mates with swords and armour.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 4:06:10 AM
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Lego,
The "Left" are already living under Islamic law, if you accept Islam you're a Dhimmi and this is how we should view them and refer to them in our posts.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 6:46:32 AM
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LEGO; The elites like the Rothschilds JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs love people like you because of your linear logic. Our elites like the extreme Sunni Sharia law because it fits well with their concept of the fascist New World Order. They will finance groups like this to destroy democracy which threatens their power.

The elites throughout history set one faction against another, whether it be religion or race to achieve their aims. It is all about attaining power at any cost, even nuclear war.

Not all Muslims are extremists but the Western Imperialism that steals energy via war, is creating a lot more of them.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 10:25:05 PM
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Yeah Arjay. And the Joos blew up the World Trade Centre. Keep it up, mate. You are one of the best arguments us right wingers have that the Lefties are loonies.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 6 July 2014 5:18:42 AM
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