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Winning the debate on asylum seekers : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 18/6/2014

Would any Australian seriously contest the closure of offshore detention centres if the money this saved was immediately redirected and equally distributed among pensioners, single parents, the disadvantaged and to improve education and health?

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Kellie you have got this all so spectacularly wrong I think you should stick to chasing ambulances! Here is a thing I read that a Barrister has gone broke 5 times and each time his creditor was the ATO. So he has never paid any tax. What about you and your luvvie ABC mate's going after him first and then tell me what to think?
Also after this absolute belting on OLO don't you understand that you are completely out of step with your fellow Australians?
Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 2:19:31 PM
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Switzerland made an unsavoury reputation for itself by locking its doors on Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi persecution. Sent them back to the Germans who murdered them. There are many times we Australians could have "gone Swiss" on people seeking refuge from tyranny. We are being urged to do so now.

Yet those with quite valid criticisms of our current hostile locked door policies don't seem to have come up with a non-Swiss alternative. The refugee debate will go round and round in circles unless we do what scientists do when solving thorny engineering problems: FIRST SEPARATE THE VARIABLES and deal with each independently. For example:

*Giving refuge vs extending welfare.
*Culture vs race.
*Values based on individual liberty and the Age of Reason vs the intolerant "principles" of Islam and other debased cultures.
*Colonists seeking an ethnic bridgehead vs immigrants seeking to be Australians.

Certainly we don't want people from crap countries bringing with them the cultural baggage that caused the tyranny they are fleeing from. We need to rake stock of what makes Australia a basically decent country (unlike ASEAN zone, Islamic zone and the lands of tribal savages) and try to preserve what's decent and express it both internally and externally.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 6:16:20 PM
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EJ: *Givi

Giving refuge vs extending welfare.

Ok, we can give refuge but NOT permanent settlement. If these people can afford to pay People Smugglers, Plane fares, Middle men to get them close to Australia they certainly can afford to pay for their upkeep in Australia.

EJ: *Culture vs race.

As I have said before this is a Religious issue. NOT Culture, NOT race. The Islamic Religion MUST be barred from Australia weather the UN likes it or not.

EJ: *Values based on individual liberty and the Age of Reason vs the intolerant "principles" of Islam and other debased cultures.

Exactly. That's why Muslims should be barred from settling in Australia.

EJ: *Colonists seeking an ethnic bridgehead vs immigrants seeking to be Australians.

Muslims are the New Colonists seeking to change our Culture & demanding that we change later. I have no problems with immigrants provided they are from a non-threatening Religion or backward Medieval Culture.

EJ: Certainly we don't want people from crap countries bringing with them the cultural baggage that caused the tyranny they are fleeing from.

The first thing you have said that I agree with.

EJ: We need to take stock of what makes Australia a basically decent country and try to preserve what's decent and express it both internally and externally.

& What we need to do to preserve that by keeping out riff raff which some people are hell bent on getting into Australia.

EJ: (unlike ASEAN zone, Islamic zone and the lands of tribal savages)

I understand the Islamic Zone part (Religionist) but what's with the ASEAN & Lands of Tribal Savages. Do you mean South East Asia & the Pacific Islands. Isn't that Racist?
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 6:51:25 PM
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Why don't we just take the money needed to house, feed, cloth and pay the dole for every boat person, straight out of the ABC's $1.2 billion dollar p.a. budget, Kelly?

When it starts to hit home with trendies like yourself that the Aussie taxpayer is not a golden goose, and that the money you want to spend on boat people should come of trendy lefty sacred cows, I don't think it will be long before you and your friends grow a brain as the penny drops.

(Sorry for the mixed metaphor)
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 7:02:53 PM
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Stop the golden welfare welcome, do what other countries do for example.

What Ireland give refugees
Gives them group accommodation (like all in one housing commission building not separate house)meals and a bed nothing else they go to a different place and get 19 Euros per week spending money. They are not allowed to work. Some have waited more than 8 years to be assessed.

That will sort out the majority of economic invaders.
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:51:09 AM
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From the Minister, Scott Morrison:

"Today Australia reached a significant milestone, marking six months since the last successful people smuggling operation.

Operation Sovereign Borders is working. The boats are stopping and this is saving lives.

Stopping the boats is saving the Budget $2.5 billion over the next four years – around $50 million a month.

We need your help to share the message that Australia’s borders are secure again.

Under Labor’s watch, 190 boats arrived in the equivalent six month period last year.

Combating the work of people smugglers is an ongoing effort. The Government will remain vigilant in ensuring that our borders remain strong."
Posted by Peter Lang, Thursday, 19 June 2014 7:31:34 AM
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