arjay:

"Anyone of us can be gaoled indefinitely without legal representation if our Govt defines us as a terrorist."

And that's happening, is it ? How many in Australia ? How many in the US ?

And how many Iraqi soldiers have been slaughtered in the past week ?

And you know what ? They weren't working for the Yanks either.

Face up to the real world, not some idiotic fantasy. Al Qa'ida - and ISIS - are their own men, they didn't need the Yanks to create them. And they don't need them to tell them what to do. They are reactionaries, terrorists, in their own horrific way.

Joe

Susan Lindaur was an Ex CIA asset who was the second non Arab to be arrested under Bush's Patriot Act.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43zl4fzDQg Susan was gaoled for 12 mths and endured a mock trial that lasted 5 yrs and was gagged for another 5 yrs.

Susan was the go between CIA agent that talked directly with Iraqi officals.The decision to attack Iraq was made well before 911.Susan wrote a letter to Bush's Secretary of State saying why the attack on Iraq would be a disaster and so was arrested for being an Iraqi agent.

Susan was warned by the head of the CIA not to go to New York as a miniature nuclear device could well be exploded there. When Susan contacted the US Govt and told them about the planned 911 attack the Govt then had no "plausible deniability".

It is interesting that the CIA got Susan to ask the Iraqis constantly what they knew about this impending terrorist attack. This is the CIA well before 911 trying to tie the Iraqis to 911.

The Iraqis were being very co-operative with the USA because they did not want war but the Military Industrial Complex could not make profits out of peace and they wanted all of Iraq's oil.

This presentation by Susan is well worth watching. Amazing!

Thank you Loudmouth, for displaying James O'Neill's ignorance of history. And this is the same character who piously claims that he knows history and we don't!

But I would not waste my time on Arjay. I think you can glean from his last post that he is completely off the planet with his conspiracy theories. The CIA was going to put an atom bomb in New York!

Hahahahaha.

The best thing about Arjay is that he is the best argument we have that lefties are potty. Actually, Arjay, a friend loaned me a fictional book who's plot was about a secret arm of the US government who were plotting to do just that. Of course, some retired ex detective superhero discovers the plot and gets on the trail of the malefactors. I didn't bother to read past the first twenty pages because it was just too ridiculous. Arjay probably read the same book and thought it was an historical manuscript. He probably thinks that the X Files are a documentary.

Too many young people adopt the left wing view purely for vanity. They really do believe that always opposing mainstream opinions is what "intelligent" people do, and they have a compulsive need to think that they are intelligent. But when they read the sort of crap that Arjay writes, it must cause them to reassess that particular premise.

Keep it up, Arjay. You are the best argument that we have. What's next? Is the USA being run by an android Elvis Presley, who was cloned by the Martians?

LEGO your credibility speaks for itself. Ad hominem is your choice of attack. Susan Lindaur wrote a book about her experiences called, 'Extreme Prejudice' Ray McGovern is another ex-CIA asset who knows the truth.

Another author you should read is by Sibel Edmonds,'A Classified Woman'.She was an FBI translator who was gagged by the US Govt under the official secrets act for her knowledge of what really happened on 911.http://www.boilingsfrogs.com/

@Arjay: Richard, you are wasting your time trying to persuade Lego of anything. As a very large number of posts by him conclusively demonstrate, if something does not accord with his idiosyncratic world view it is immediately labelled left wing, usually, as you point out, accompanied by ad hominen attacks.

@Loudmouth. Joe, it is not a sufficient argument to respond to criticism of western policies with variations on the theme that certain Muslim groups (I am sure you don't mean to slander 1.3 billion adherents of that faith) are infinitely worse.

It is of great concern to many people that the so-called war on terror, more accurately a war of terror, has been used to justify the progressive dismantling of centuries of hard won legal protections. The NDAA in the US eliminated habeas corpus, probably the single most important protection we have against arbitrary government power. The post 9/11 Howard government introduced an extraordinary range of repressive measures. Whether they have been used here or not is not the point. We claim to be a democracy based on the rule of law. That is a claim under serious attack. I for one will not stand by and watch the current enemy du jour (it used to be communists) be used as an excuse for the inexcusable.

Hasbeen says

"The real question is, where do you find someone strong enough, tough enough & ruthless enough to control the country & bring peace even if only by fear.

Yep, where do you find a Saddam Hussein when you need one?"

Can u hear yourself?

I have a fair yet unconsidered proposal –
Rather than as everyone seems to assume and with no explanation, why ALWAYS is the USA looked to for every world problem?
Let’s test this new look world we have today and invite China and India to deal with the problem, let them take their military and invade.

Anyone?