So the USA installed a pro-oil Govt because they stole Iraqi oil. Iraq has been plagued by religious tensions for centuries.

Which country created Saddham Hussein ? Yes the USA. But Saddham got out of control and started selling oil in Euros instead of US $ and he want Iraq to be independent. This is why he had to go. Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and there were no weapons of mass destruction.

This mess is the fault of the USA, Britain and the Banking,Military Industrial Complex which controls it.

James O'Neill & Arjay,

Why do you think everybody is a puppet, all controlled by the Yanks, and completely unable to think or do for themselves ?

Do we have to trawl back through the politics of the entire Ottoman Empire and ever since ?

And Saddam was his own man, his own thug, long before he started working with the Yanks. Remember how he had all of his Cabinet shot in the seventies ? What, that was on the orders of the US ? Or his own ?

Come down to the recent past: the reaction of conservative and fundamentalist Muslims to the West, in the elaboration of groups like al-Qa'ida since the eighties and even more recently, their alarm at the growth of democratic ideas, however partial, since 2011.

The question is not how does the US create and manipulate these reactionary groups - they've never had that power or inclination - but how have these groups sprung up within Islam, developed quite endogenously and independent of any outside forces (except in reaction to them) and turned into one of the most dangerous and anti-Left forces in the world today.

Fight them today, or fight a bigger and more vicious force tomorrow, that's the dilemma.

Joe

Arjay: This mess is the fault of the USA, Britain and the Banking, Military Industrial Complex which controls it.

You must be right Arjay. It's got nothing to do with the their Medieval Religious spat, Tribal Tensions or their love of fighting anyone & everyone or the people being backward & living in dirt because the rich Arabs won't share their wealth with their common people.

No the Russians, British, French, & Americans are personally responsible for any atrocity committed anywhere in the Middle East. Even the ones being committed by the innocent civilian ILIS shooting anyone they can get their hands on. Even if the Taliban, Al Quidia, Muslim Brotherhood or any other Terrorist group kill people it the Wests fault. "The Devil made me do it."

uran1d10t.

Hi Haldual.

If you get captured by an Afghan, what they do to you is this. First, they cut the tendons in your arms and legs so that you can't move. Then they prop you up on a boulder and slit your belly open. They want you to see the wild dogs approaching who are going to rip your guts to pieces as they feed on them. And you wonder why Churchill in considered it appropriate to drop poison gas on these savages to stop them raiding, raping, torturing, robbing and pillaging?

Remember, it was only after WW1 that the idea of poison gas should not be used in war was agreed upon by most civilised nations. Prior to that, poison gas was considered just another weapon of war.

In his book "The Malakand Field Force", Churchill recounts the fate of peaceful people who think like you do, when confronted by barbarians who really do want to destroy them. When the British Brigades entered Waziristan, they were amazed that there was ample evidence of a prior Buddhist civilisation that had been completely destroyed by the savage hillmen. Those people who do not want to dirty their hands doing what is necessary to survive, and who want to live in lotus land and go to sleep in the sun, usually wake up with some barbarian bastards foot on their necks.

This is the full speech of President Dwight Eisenhower in 1961. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBwFDevJ7ls

Dwight," In the council of Govt, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted power whether sought or unsought by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for disasterous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination, endanger our liberties and processes."

All the fears and trepidations of Dwight Eisenhower have come to fruition. Bush with the Patriot Act, Obama with the National Defence Authorisation Act, legalised assassination,illegal wars and many other signing orders have trashed the US Constitution. John Howard here brought back the Sedition Laws which negates habeas corpus. Anyone of us can be gaoled indefinitely without legal representation if our Govt defines us as a terrorist.

I'm tired of the stupid morons who refuse to see the reality.

arjay: legalised assassination, illegal wars.

Hmmm. I suppose the likes of the Terrorists groups in the Middle East & in Africa are all legal so they are OK as log as the West doesn't interfere with their aims. Is that so?

arjay: Anyone of us can be gaoled indefinitely without legal representation if our Govt defines us as a terrorist.

Sounds like a plan but they would have to prove in a Court that you belong or belonged to a Terrorist Organization with intent of causing harm in Australia.

Here is a scenario. Your kids are going to school & you have seen some suspicious person hanging around the school. He looks familiar. Then you recognize that he is a raving child molester that has just shifted into the neighbourhood. He is known to pick up kids near schools & molest them.

According to your theory you'd invite him home for tea to meet your kids. I love your thinking ;-)