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From occupied East Jerusalem, with love : Comments

By Joharah Baker, published 16/6/2014

Last week your government's Attorney General, George Brandis took it upon himself to refute what international law and UN resolutions have clearly confirmed, that East Jerusalem is an occupied city.

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Just who are the occupiers ?
From long before 0 BC the area was Jewish.
Later it became both Christian and Jewish.
Around AD60 the Romans ejected most of the Jews from Jerusalem but it
appears the Christians remained. Some Jews did remain in the area.

Fast forward to the 7th century.
It was so until the Arabs from what is now Saudi Arabia under the flag
of Mohammed and Islam invaded and obeying the Koran they murdered the
the Christians and Jews living there in that area or forced them to
pay Jizaz to the Moslems under pain of death.

It was this occupation that caused the Crusades in an attempt to eject the Arabs.
The Crusades went on for a long time but eventually the Moslems prevailed.

Fast forward to the 20th century.

After the Holocaust the Jews returned with the imprimatur of the UN.
The Arabs understandably did not like this but their contention that
the Jews had no right to be there is somewhat hypocritical.

What we have now are the Jews saying we are back and these invaders
have no right to be here.
The Arabs say we have been here a long time and the Jews and
Christians have no right to be here.

If the Moslems insist on the "We were here first" principle they should leave.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 16 June 2014 6:12:14 PM
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Citing from the British "Guardian," newspaper
(the link is given below):

"Australia's new view is starkly at odds with the
true status of east Jerusalem under International Law.
It also corrodes the International Law and violates
Australia's International Law obligations.

The term "occupied" is neither "pejorative" nor "judgemental,"
as George Brandis and the Government claim. It is an
objective legal description of Israel's physical control of a
place beyond Israel's borders at independence in 1948.

The legal term does not imply anything further about whether
Israel's occupation is "legal" or "illegal" or good or bad.
It simply refers to the fact of control.

Declaring east Jerusalem will not be described as "occupied"
implies Australia rejects the application of International
Humanitarian Law.

Australia's position therefore dangerously signals that
Palestinians living in east Jerusalem no longer enjoy the
protection of humanitarian law, but are subject to Israel's
wishes.

Israel's settlements have grown in east Jerusalem severely
disrupting the property, resource, and human rights of
Palestinians. Israel is committed to colonising it as part of
Israel proper.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/11/australia-wont-describe-east-jerusalem-as-occupied-and-is-wrong-to-do-so
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 16 June 2014 7:05:16 PM
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What nonsense Jayb. The people of a country are those who were born in it, or DEMONSTRABLY descended from IDENTIFIABLE INDIVIDUALS born in it, or accepted as immigrants by people born in it. Claiming to be descended from a tribe that fell on the the inhabitants thousands of years ago, butchered them and stole their land from which they were later dislodged does not establish ownership of the territory. Nor would any claims by Moslems to European countries to which Moslems laid waste centuries ago and were finally seen off.

The war of 1967, by the way, was not imposed on the Zionists. The Zionists launched the war by surprise attacks on Israel's neighbours none of whom were at war, destroying their warplanes on the ground. This was an act of aggression. Indeed the Zionists went so ape that they attacked a US ship (USS Liberty) in the area, strafing and killing several of its crew. A timeline of the war of conquest can be found at http://www.coldwarstudies.com/2012/12/05/palestine-israel-timeline-1948-1967/. All military and diplomatic actions of the Palestinians before, during and since June 1967 have been defensive of their homeland against foreign occupation.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 16 June 2014 10:49:08 PM
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Empower Julian wrote

"No ethnic group - none - is special or exceptional enough not to have to account for such a blatant theft of a people's homeland."

Gee Julian, the Muslims would not agree with you on that score. Their goal has been to conquer the world for Islam, in order to save the souls of the infidels (and line their pockets). They have been conquering Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu land for over a thousand years, and either exterminating, exiling, or forcibly converting the captive populations. As a tool of Imperialism, such policies have much to recommend them. And as an Imperialist power, the Muslims were more noted for their suppression of minorities and harems full of captured women, than for any benefit they passed on to the human race as a whole.

Now the world's most infamous and least respected imperialists are crying that the Jews are back in their own homeland, and doing to the Muslims that reside there, what the Muslims have been doing to the Jews for 1300 years. Only the Jews are not as ardent at ethnic cleansing as the Muslims.

And you support the poor "oppressed" Muslims and claim that they are the victims? Ama-a-azing.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 4:05:48 AM
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To Emperor Julian.

Egypt under Nasser started the Six Day War when he ordered the blockade of the Israeli port of Eilat. A blockade is an act of war. Where you got the crap from that Israel started the war, I don't know. But it is a common misconception from people like you who parrot left wing propaganda instead of ever reading a history book.

When you are surrounded by implacable enemies bent on your total annihilation, then it is totally right to take land from your enemies if you beat them. Prussia is the heart of Germany. it is now part of Russia and Poland. But you don't hear the Germans demanding "their" land back, or committing act of terrorism to "free" their people. Prussia is gone, and they prefer that to another bad war.

Not so the Muslims. Their civilisation is a failure, their economies are in ruins, and their birth rates are astronomical. The mullahs need somebody for their restive young men to hate so that they don't start thinking about how their religion has failed them.

It is just amazing that the world is now witnessing the emergence of religious wars to promote religion by hordes of religious fanatics. But people like yourself are complicit in that situation if you can't figure out what is going on here, and continually blame your own people, or Israel, for what is occurring.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 4:19:08 AM
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Well said Lego !

We have been in a war for centuries but most people do not realise it.
We invite the enemy inside our walls in the name of political correctness!
Oh dear how stupid.

Where is our Geert Wilders ?
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 10:12:17 AM
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