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Ukraine: can anything save it? : Comments

By Peter Coates, published 9/5/2014

Ukraine has no easy choices. It can’t rely on the West, and Russian treatment of Ukraine in living memory has been close to genocidal.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-folly-of-playing-high-stakes-poker-with-vladimir-putin-more-to-lose-than-gain-over-ukraine/5381246

I found the above link less emotive, more objective and well researched (and includes references). If all you're reading is major media, sourcing its info from US press release, then you're only getting the US agenda in terms of good guys and bad guys, with the US being predictably the only good guy. It's not as simple as that. Also, one needs to ask the question, "why hasn't Putin moved much earlier than now, given he's been running the show since Yeltsin?"

Cheers.
Posted by Dick Dastardly, Friday, 9 May 2014 7:34:17 PM
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Now let's get this right. The USA illegally invades Vietnam, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya ,Iraq, Somalia, backs a Nazi take over of the Ukraine and Russia wanting to protect its home turf is the pariah?

The West is trying to surround both Russia and China so they will open up their economies to be plundered like hundreds of others around the planet. It all about a few wanting all the wealth and power.

The race is on as the US $ is losing its reserve status as NO 1 currency. Our oligarchs need war to subdue their angry oppressed masses and steal more wealth to prop up their collapsing empire.

http://paulcraigroberts.org/
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 10 May 2014 10:36:27 AM
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Hi Arjay,

I've never figured out whether you write from the extreme paranoid Left or from the extreme paranoid Right, but these days the differences seem to be irrelevant.

As for Ukraine's new government being in any way pro-Nazi, you could learn from this article: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/05/07/why_jews_and_ukrainians_have_become_unlikely_allies

in which it is pointed out that Ukraine's new government has a Jewish deputy prime minister, and a Jewish governor of Dniepropetrovsk. How many Jewish people does Putin have amongst his entourage ?

One interesting feature of political paranoia is that the 'strategic enemy' is always all-powerful, and the party one favors is always comparatively weak and exposed, put upon by a hostile world. Hence, your laughable assertion that the US is trying to encircle both the Tsarist and the Chinese Empires. What, to encircle the entire Euro-Asian landmass ? The US hasn't been able to 'encircle' even Cuba for nearly sixty years.

BTT: Putin's piss-ants in eastern Ukraine will hold their referendum tomorrow and gain - what's the bet ? - 96 % support. Yeah, right. Would Putin be prepared to hold similar referendums all over Russia, with its 143 different nationalities and pseudo-independent republics ?

I think not, Arjay.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 10 May 2014 12:15:55 PM
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Loudmouth both Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating agree with me about US aggression to steal energy and resources.

I think the ex-Assistant secretary to the US Treasury Dr Paul Craig Roberts knows a tad more than you. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 10 May 2014 12:23:52 PM
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Hi Arjay,

A somewhat selective appeal to authority, mate, not to mention being a bit irrelevant. Any chance you might tackle the major issues ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 10 May 2014 1:22:53 PM
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Loudmouth, the US has already encircled China and Russia...you only need to look at the placement of NATO bases in ex-Soviet countries, then consider America's interests in Sth Korea and Taiwan...90% of oil that travels by sea to China, goes through the Straits of Taiwan, so he who controls those Straits, controls oil to China AND Japan, which is why the US is so interested in Taiwan's "independence"...or more to the point, dependent upon the US, rather than China. Then look at why Afghanistan is important geopolitically for the US in preventing Russia access to the Middle East. The globe is a giant chessboard.

Taiwan is critical, as in the event of hostilities between China and the US, traditionally would force China to send/receive ships of oil via the Arctic Circle, which was impossible over the Winter months. With global warming, this is no longer the case, but is still a longer route, and susceptible to attack if desired.

The Western Empire is attempting to absorb Russia and bring China into the fold, rather than have them operate independently. It's just the natural progression of empire building. But neither want to succumb to this New World Order for reasons of their own. Fair enough, too. It's not about left or right wing politics, but about globalization of business interests, access to resources, and prevention of competing empires to access those resources.
Posted by Dick Dastardly, Saturday, 10 May 2014 2:04:27 PM
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