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Free speech : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 29/4/2014

Australians desire freedom of speech when they don't have it, but are reluctant to give it to others when they do.

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0.08 degrees in sixteen years. Gosh.
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 8:45:03 PM
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Freedom of speech is not freedom to harass people going about their private business. There is something very ugly about those who persist in demanding the right to do so. They are not motivated by tender concern for foetal human beings, but by hostility to adult female human beings. Otherwise they would have a track record of campaigning against waging war to promote the colonialist Project for a New American Century. How many foetuses get shredded with their mothers by bombs directed to war targets like Middle Eastern villages? Does JP or Denny do any demonstrating against this obscenity which proceeds with full approval of Australian governments as allies or does their bravado go only so far as bullying vulnerable young women in an extremely fragile stage of their lives?
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 8:51:15 PM
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Emperor Julian – what makes you think that just because I am opposed to abortion that I wouldn’t be opposed to war? I am indeed opposed to war and have engaged in public demonstrations against it.

You say that “Freedom of speech is not freedom to harass people going about their private business”, but that is precisely what the issue of free speech is about – what one person calls harassment another calls being allowed to express their opinions in public. If anyone can silence someone’s public comments merely by claiming harassment, then that will be the end of free speech. Besides, in what sense is publicly promoting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “harassment”?

You claim to know my motives for wanting to make the community think about what abortion involves – saying that I don’t care for the preborn child but am just hostile to adult females. Well, your presumption is completely wrong. We run a centre that provides free comprehensive assistance to pregnant women in difficulty. The one thing we won’t do is end the child’s life. This is in contrast to the abortion clinics which will do only thing for the pregnant woman in difficulty and that is to end the child’s life for a price.
Posted by JP, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 9:17:22 PM
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How does a PC worshipper deal with a person from another culture when they inadvertently or through sheer ignorance make an offensive remark ? What if someone is still learning the language which is the PC mutt's mother tongue & some words have unintended consequences ? Would a PC mutt have the mentality or the reasoning of not feeling offended ?
Free speech is not for people to say anything they feel like nor is it acceptable for some limp-wristed PC mutt to feign offence. Free speech means no offence being committed & no offence taken.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:00:11 PM
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Loudmouth, that is 0.08 C per decade, so 0.12 C in fifteen years. It might look small, but it debunks the notion that there is a “pause” in warming since 1998.

Leo Lane, I am unsurprised you would plump for some internet gossip from 5 years ago over what data states now. What you believe has no influence at all on the data
Posted by Agronomist, Thursday, 1 May 2014 9:44:14 AM
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JP’s response merits some elaboration in reply.

First, his final paragraph gives the location of the placarding to which the three youths took exception. This location would be selected by anyone choosing to harass the women and that is why it is proscribed by a law which JP seems to find irksome. It would be like confronting worshippers at Mass with “No Popery” placards outside a Roman church.

Second, if the youths really wished to suppress public expression of JP’s views, as distinct from reacting to harassment, then they would be expressing a brand of fascism that is all too prevalent and which Mr Brandeis is trying to combat.

Third, if the youths wished to take up JPs views as such they would discuss them rationally e.g. in the terms of Dr Hislop’s excellent draft legislation that the pollies in WA kerzonked back in the 1950s [1].

Fourth, unless abortion earned more money than non-abortion services by the same professionals elsewhere the throwaway line about doing it for money would suggest a writer aware of not having a case.

Fifth, there is a similarity between masking an attack on women as being directed at abortionists and masking an attack on refugees as being directed at people smugglers.

[1] The Hislop draft took account of the stages of progression from conception to a fully autonomous human being and related the evolving human rights of the foetus to the degree of self-awareness expected at given stages (zero at conception). Restrictions on abortion took account of the linked human rights of the woman.[2]

[2] The mafia from which the late Senator Harradine , poster-boy for the anti-female brigade, drew inspiration rejects the right of a woman to choose when and whether and in what circumstances to proceed with a pregnancy, and pressured the weak and superstitious Tony Abbott in 2006 into banning RU486. The Harradine/Abbott mafia supported the colonialist rape of Vietnam (napalm sticks to babies too).
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 1 May 2014 3:00:16 PM
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