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By Don Aitkin, published 29/4/2014Australians desire freedom of speech when they don't have it, but are reluctant to give it to others when they do.
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There is freedom of speech in Australia but the proponents for freedom of speech keep objecting when others excercise their right.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 6:31:17 AM
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So Don, what you are really complaining about is people dismissing what you write as denier rubbish? Isn’t it their right to do that, particularly when a lot of what you post about climate is so obviously aligned with climate denier rubbish?
I have formed my opinion of your lack of understanding of climate science from your own posts here, Don. We can take this one http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15595 as an example. In it the only data you show is a fraudulent graph from Roy Spencer and then you base your argument on that. It took me less than 10 minutes of background research to recognise the graph was fraudulent, yet you failed to see that. I am happy to rest my case there, but if you want me to point out more examples, I can. Posted by Agronomist, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 8:49:08 AM
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Hi Agronomist,
The main thing currently that bugs me about climate change is whether or not there has been a pause in the rise in world temperatures since 1998 or so, while CO2 levels have kept rising. Has there been a pause ? Do you believe that there has been a pause ? Or are you a pause denier ? Just asking :) Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 9:46:08 AM
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Well Joe, since 1998 statistically global surface temperatures have increased by 0.06 C per decade (P<0.007). Data can be found here http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4-gl.dat and http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.C.txt. I did the statistical analysis myself.
But while we are at it, perhaps we should cherry pick a couple of other starting years? Since 1997, statistically global surface temperatures have increased by 0.06 C per decade (P<0.006). Since 1999, statistically global surface temperatures have increased by 0.08 C per decade (P<0.0004). So it seems to me Joe, there is no “pause” to deny. In fact on the evidence of the numbers above, you might be forgiven for concluding that the speed of warming is increasing. But if you want a pause to work with, there has been no statistically significant warming of global surface temperatures since 2010. Posted by Agronomist, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 12:26:41 PM
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In all this GW debating why is there never any reference to the natural phenomenon of evolution ?
Yes industry contributes greatly to any such change but we've had changes before there was any industry or perhaps there was & we just don't know about it. In any case, we can't reverse a trend that's been in motion for a couple of hundred years. We'll just have to go full circle like it or not. No tax, no scheme hare-brained or otherwise can change that. Never mind academia relies on this so heavily, we should find another, less annoying project, perhaps a useful one but that's very much wishful thinking. Going back to the topic, free speech will always be condemned by the PC brigade because free speech is the greatest threat to them. Posted by individual, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 1:01:32 PM
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Agronomist, the Climategate miscreant Trenberth wrote in that famous 2009 Climategate email to Michael Mann:
“The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.” Global warming stopped in 1998 http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100095506/there-has-been-no-global-warming-since-1998/ Your playing with numbers does not impress anyone I believe that people back the AGW fraud through ignorance or dishonesty. I would have to reconsider this, if there is science showing a measureable effect of human emissions on climate. If you do not supply this, then your support for AGW obviously arises from dishonesty Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 6:58:22 PM
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