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Egalitarianism under threat : Comments

By Andrew Leigh, published 24/4/2014

Rising inequality is not an inevitable feature of economic growth. Indeed, from the 1920s to the 1970s, Australia became more equal.

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Andrew, I dont care if someone earns more than I do; I celebrate their fortune and their harder work.

What I care about is my nine months out of work, while irresponsible politicians piss away not just our present money, but future generations as well. Out of work I find the Government supports a permanent non-working class, and a permanent enforcer class that smack me with penalties and costs for not keeping their paperwork up to date, while giving free money to parasites who eat tax instead of paying it.

And there you are, an economist who joined a party of economic lunacy and social incompetence; you turned honest by going into Parliament where you will look sane compared with your front bench.

This inequality story of yours is just party-line hate, trying to keep hold on some mocked-up moral high ground. Please try to be the adult in the room; heaven knows Labor needs one.
Posted by ChrisPer, Thursday, 24 April 2014 7:46:45 AM
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thats/when..our coin..was silver
then they debased it..INTO NICKLE..[it was/is..treason]

why..is it so?
THE QUEENS COIN DEBASED=TREASON.

follow....the gold reserve/PAPER..TRAIL..ukrane..had 35 ton taken
the minute..that..imf banker/president..cooped...the ukrane via.the YANK/ISRAEL..uprising

THE..MANY-HEADED..\**!**/...HYDRA
NEVER HAS..*ONLY..ONE AGENDA..power*..over others/by lie/trick/deceptION/SPIN

as you well..Would know..THE GOVT.HYDRA..IS always/trialing/testing/networking..and we..NOW..need..get right..at..the root..of/why/is..it so?

the worst\thing..is..this..'increase...of
age/and number..of those claiming privilege..
allows those exploiting..the..GOVT/CASH-COW-teats..top-up/bailout/govt underwriting..[read free govt..cash grab]..for those too rich..to ever qualify..for any other govt bailout/PENSIONS..any other way.

FOR GOVT TO expend..DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR..PENSION/TOP-up
for..THOSE WHO NEVER..by any lawful means..COULD HAVE GOT...A single govt CENT/

THAT'S JUST ELITES/public servants/bankers/lawyers...media..paying each others rent...middle class welfare..shouldn't go to giving cash upfront..to the rich/who other wise...couldn't get at one cent..its time the moneyed elite..began repaying some rent

yet they tax avoid..and now get paid to grow kids..but what about the gold the bankers on sold.for 44dollars 44 cents..its time to pay the rent..[rent..because the gold is all gone/audit the fed..its not at the fort of hard knox

but..they have got..gold colored..titanium

anyhow..the future lies..in big govt
according..to EACH/EQUALLY FAIRLY..as dividend
NOT..BY..your station/pay scale..NOT POLITICAL/economic..or military/..LIES/fears propaganda...[OPPRESSIVE-might.]

its time..to be paying for the real cost...its time for a one size pension FITS ALL...THING IS JOHN..its time to move on..bring IT TO A HEAD/..time for truth..to be heard..B..FORE/THE QUEENS/SERVANT.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152&page=0#178808
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=11

FURTHER..RE FOLLOW THE Money..[or rather/debt]
see how the bailout..of the fed..[9 billion]
then the buying..[hidden slush fund]..of 12 billion..of over engineered yanki hanger ornaments]..that are suffocating our pilots/please see only 4 could be flown..for the fly past..for our future king

think of all that f111/fly overs of times gone past
OR''THE FLY OVER..WHEN THEY FLEW OVER BRISSIE..[see promo/bris 31]
we all have paid..too much...paid in full by the same burdens.. serving the same self serving elite..its time to cut the cost of war
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php
what..really is/THIS?>.us..working to death....IN JUNKto buy yanki PAPER?.. war junk.BUNKUM

http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-American-USS-Donald-Cook-5786/

that is that debt..we can drop..instantly..figure it out with what you got/then inquire why every defense;procurement'..minester'ss globally is a billionaires..inquire re that onE....ENRON-SCUM

MEAN-WHILE../the govt is frontloading in.a huge burden/blowout
it can then .blame on alp..then claim to have fixed[/by working us/taxing us..to death
http://rss.infowars.com/20140423_Wed_Alex.mp3
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 24 April 2014 9:08:06 AM
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Never known an in going government to talk down an economy like this one.
The sole purpose is to prepare the electorate to accept cuts in services, accept job losses, reduced hours, reduced pay.

You will never hear joe hockey suggest the ASX200 companies should consider reducing their record profits and hire a few more employees. You will not hear that privileged australian companies have not only fiscal and governance responsibility but they have a social responsibility to the country which has enabled their continued success. You will not hear hockey chastise tax avoidance schemes by individuals or companies that hire pools of accountants and lawyers who are solely engaged to minimise tax outlays. You will not hear hockey proposing to remove negative gearing or the introduction of a financial transaction tax to capture the booming speculation in derivatives which threaten the entire global economy.

What you will hear is that pensioners are living in luxury
The unemployed are lazy and fraudulent
Boat people are jumping queues

You will hear every distraction, every diversionary trick.

Ever since the late 1970s early 1980s the wealthy elite, the owners of corporations, those who live off the fat of the land via rents and dividends, those who contribute nothing, who elicit mining rights, government licenses, purchase privatised government assets have conducted an orchestrated strategy against the electorates in every developed country.

This has been a war by stealth, initially slow steps to undermine and contain unions, marginalise intellectuals, manage the media spin have gathered momentum.

The victory is now so inevitable that The Abbot Government has come in to power with an open declaration of war against the electorate. "The end of the age of entitlement" is not directed at the wealthy the rent/dividend receiver but the casual part time worker, the pensioner, the unemployed, the student.

There is no vision here to deal with the reality of world which needs less and less workers as industry and service becomes more and more automated. Rather, what we have here is a failure to even begin to confront the realities we face.
Posted by YEBIGA, Thursday, 24 April 2014 10:00:50 AM
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Good article informative Andrew. And your commentary about what Labor should do, is timely.

Unfortunately, your side includes virtually all the progressives, all three or four of them?

Some conservatives claim to be Christians, some even deeply devout? Yeah, right!
Yet few seem to be progressives, the natural stance for Christians on either side of the Isle?

We've heard the talk, now what we need is the walk, not rotary wankels, who tremble in the face of union intransigence, like poodles at a rottweiler party?

I think herding cats might be easier, than getting genuine reforms through the Labor party, and badly needed now, to grow labor's support base, or just the dropping like lead balloon, primary support.

Your main problem, seems just too many would be if they could be chiefs and not enough Indians. [Hence the demonstrable lack of cabinet confidentiality!]
And or people with real world experience.

Neville Wran i.e., had a smaller office than many junior ministers, had a very small staff, who invariably, had real world experience backing them, rather than a uni degree, or a head chock full of untried intellectual concepts, and all the complex rationality, that allowed those mad hatter ideas entry initially.

And I'm not saying that is you, but maybe a few of the other personalities; Rudders, who have turned hard right, and made Labor what it is today?

Neville Wran was the real deal, had the courage of conviction, even where that proved unpopular, and had the necessary oratory, and persuasive power to bring others with him.

If all the "wannabes" could set aside entirely unrealistic personal ambition and just crack on, perhaps you might be able to find in your ranks, another Wran, or at least one with his practical pragmatism? and engineer, and another Wran slide!?

Labor, with its left wing right wing divide, as evidenced by the replacement on the top of ticket, by a patently flawed right wing former unionist!
Is an object lesson than needs to be learned and adopted!
Otherwise Andy, just go away, join the Dodo and the Democrats!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 24 April 2014 12:18:18 PM
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Andrew

Egalitarianism is not about being equal or the same.

It is our Australian tradition that you socialists are trying to corrupt like you have so many of our other traditions and institutions.

Our egalitarianism holds that while we are all different in so many ways our voices and points of view are to be equally heard and respected.

Nothing more and nothing less.

You unionists don't adhere to that philosophy any more. You are all just a bunch of elitist spivs now carrying the baggage of fraudsters and crooks.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 24 April 2014 5:17:47 PM
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Our egalitarianism holds that while we are all different in so many ways our voices and points of view are to be equally heard and respected.

Nothing more and nothing less.

You unionists don't adhere to that philosophy any more. You are all just a bunch of elitist spivs now carrying the baggage of fraudsters and crooks.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 24 April 2014 5:17:47 PM

Union membership was 55% of the workforce back in the 1970s
Today it is 15% of the workforce

I suggest the fraud in our corporate world far exceeds anything the odd union official may succumb to. And given they have merely defrauded their own membership, for whom you fail to hide your contempt for, what point are you trying to make?

Stop watching mainstream TV and read a book or smell a flower otherwise I fear - well I shan't say.
Posted by YEBIGA, Friday, 25 April 2014 2:39:11 AM
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