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US Senator Kerry's climate nostrums will make the patient worse : Comments
By James Rust, published 21/3/2014Secretary Kerry's solutions to the non-existent global warming problem can be compared to the pre-20th century medical practice of bloodletting - patients not cured and many die.
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Posted by ant, Thursday, 27 March 2014 8:32:22 AM
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This may be of interest to you, cohenite. http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/30/12/1067.short
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 27 March 2014 9:07:51 AM
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We are quite aware of your obsession with ice sheets, ant, and melting ice is not relevant to the question.
What is the science which shows that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate? You cannot be as dense as you pretend to be. AGW is the assertion that human emissions cause global warming. To assert this when there is no scientific basis is fraudulent. James Hansen. a top NASA scientist, launched the fraud at a senate hearing in 2007. Here is the recollection of senator Tim Worth, who sponsored Hansen’s appearance, as to how he selected the hearing day and prepared the hearing room: “TIMOTHY WIRTH: We called the Weather Bureau and found out what historically was the hottest day of the summer. Well, it was June 6th or June 9th or whatever it was. So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington, or close to it. DEBORAH AMOS: [on camera] Did you also alter the temperature in the hearing room that day? TIMOTHY WIRTH: What we did is that we went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room. And so when the- when the hearing occurred, there was not only bliss, which is television cameras and double figures, but it was really hot.” http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/25/bring-it-mr-wirth-a-challenge/ This gives you a whiff of the operations of fraud backers. You might acknowledge, ant, that there is no scientific basis for AGW, and give us your reason for supporting it. Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 27 March 2014 9:55:11 AM
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Leo said "We are quite aware of your obsession with ice sheets, ant, and melting ice is not relevant to the question."
The reason you believe it is not relevant Leo is because you cannot debunk what's actually happening there. The Poles have been described as the air conditioner of the planet. In Greenland people believe it is happening, here is a clip that shows some of the issues climate change brings up. http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/11772995985/The-Big-Thaw You admitted Leo you have not viewed the references I have provided; you try and steer away from actual occurrences that are happening. The Poles are important as that is where climate change is happening quicker than anywhere else. You use Watt's as a reference, not the best choice: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts Whether you like it or not Leo, change is happening in the Polar regions, there is rich research as to what's happening. Even comments such as the Inuits being worried about not being able to hunt as before, and believe it will impact on their culture; is not something that climate scientists study, but is an indication something is up. I'm waiting for you to provide information that there is no climate change in the Polar regions, Leo; side issues don't count. Posted by ant, Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:30:15 AM
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Another effort of the fraud backers was based on Tuvalu, a Pacific island. At the Copenhagen lie fest on climate, the Tuvalu negotiator wept for “my country. He was a uni student from Queanbeyan, and had never been to Tuvalu:
“For years this glittering string of atolls has been shoved in your face as the poster islands of the global warming faith - this Eden we were killing with our Western sin. How often we were told it could be the first Pacific nation to be swallowed by the rising seas caused by our evil gases. In fact, warned Al Gore in his An Inconvenient Truth, so dire was this danger that "the citizens of these Pacific nations have all had to evacuate to New Zealand". Of course, this claim was as phony as so many Gore made in a film that was honoured with an Oscar, endorsed as accurate by the CSIRO and shown with reverence in every school in the country. As a British judge later ruled, there was no evidence of climate refugees from the Pacific having to be evacuated to New Zealand or anywhere else to escape rising seas.”………. All of which culminated in the tearful plea from Tuvalu's delegate, Ian Fry, at the UN's great warmist gathering at Copenhagen last year - a performance that in every comic respect showed the sham behind the warming scare. Cut your gases, or we die, he sobbed. "I woke up this morning crying, and that's not easy for a grown man to admit ... The fate of my country rests in your hands." Wonderful stuff! The crowd went mad with applause. Yet all this, too, was as fake as Al Gore. Fry is not from Tuvalu, has never lived there, and is not threatened by any rising seas, since the Queanbeyan home of this part-time Australian National University student is 144km from the nearest beach.” http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/theories-fail-to-take-atoll/story-e6frfhqf-1225875224751 Should we, perhaps. acknowledge that AGW is a fraud? Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 27 March 2014 11:58:27 AM
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That’s right Luci, I’ve seen the paper; now compare it with these
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v450/n7173/full/nature06400.html http://dspace.library.uu.nl/handle/1874/12527 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010AGUFMPP23B1747C Agro; seriously? You can have your own interpretation of our little conversation about Stockwell and Cox; at least until the ALP/Green rabble get back in and reinvigorate the Finkelstein paradigm but seriously Cook and his escalator?! The escalator is dealt with here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=Skeptical+science+temperature+escalator And here: http://joannenova.com.au/2013/09/climatemadness-mocks-john-cooks-escalator/ But your most serious error is to deny the existence of the GPCS where temp rose rapidly; even Santer and Meehl believe in it and accept the GPCS in or about 1976 as their [in]famous paper about CO2 delaying the GPCS shows: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008JCLI2552.1 Can you accept that agro? CO2 has ‘possessed’ ENSO and IPO so the phase change was “delayed”. This is Twilight Zone science and is discussed by David Stockwell and others here: http://jennifermarohasy.com/2009/07/solar-cycle-link-to-global-climate-now-something-official/?cp=all Posted by cohenite, Thursday, 27 March 2014 12:55:38 PM
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An Alaskan paper commenting on ice loss in Greenland, only a couple of paragraphs:
http://www.adn.com/2014/03/26/3394591/un-chief-in-greenland-climate.html
Over the last 35 years photos from satellites have shown that the ice sheets in the Arctic region have been reducing; there is no argument against that.
As you are fully aware it requires heat to break down ice. You would be aware that dark objects take up heat more readily than white. The issue with ice melting in the Arctic is that darker water exposed will more readily take up heat than does the ice that covered it. What I have stated is something that people can work out or simply know. People would also realize that ice placed in warm water that ice melts underneath. Climate Scientists tell us that oceans will rise; through melting glaciers and ice being shorn off land masses ; however, sheet ice melting will have no impact.
The Innuit are very concerned in the Northern areas of the American continent as they are not able to hunt for their prey as they have in the past and are worried about their culture breaking down.
There is no fraud here in scientists investigating what is actually happening. Leo this is part of science and climate scientists as well as scientists from other specialties are investigating what’s going on. Some of those scientists are studying tectonic plates; there has been seismic activity which does not bode well.
I believe you will be hard pressed to suggest fraud is going on here, climate scientists and others in action, Leo.