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How we invented freedom and why it matters : Comments

By Chris Golis, published 13/3/2014

The Norman Conquest in 1066 is portrayed by Hannan as a disaster with the dismantlement at the national level of much of the Anglo-Saxon freedoms and the country becoming subject to European Feudalism.

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Shockadelic,

I admit that I DO assume that the kind of universal notions of freedom, equality and open thinking leading to science were primarily developed in western nations over centuries.

I believe these notions of the nature of the individual and of society and freedoms that is in theory (at least) in the west one where all campaigns to end wrong such as slavery etc. have only ever started in such a cultural and ethical petri-dish at least that is the genuine ones.

And I make no excuses for claiming that these notions which hold that all life is sacred and all individuals are existentially equals and society should strive towards instituting culture which fosters this behaviour and beliefs.

That is to say IF you wish to disagree then HOW can anyone argue for human rights and fundamental freedoms and human decency?

Only the notions of equality etc. developed first in the west can serve to bring about human equality and decent standards.

My main arguments ALWAYS is that the Left in the west agrees with me but does not openly admit it and also tells non-westerners the opposite.

They are liars.
Posted by Jottiikii, Saturday, 22 March 2014 3:33:01 PM
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Shockadelic

"Without Whites, those values and principles die with us."

However, you might be very shocked to learn that I agree with your entire essential sentiments.

That is, I agree that the values, science and cultures and technology that was spawned in Europe and especially in ethics/law in North Europe, are absolutely the BEST out of all current and past cultures.

However I totally DISAGREE with the fundamental mistake you make of connecting that ANglo or European cultural force to the genetic physicality of the people/race that spawned the ideas as if "whites" are essentially better.

This is no more true than saying the first tribe to INVENT fire making is eternally superior others and that other tribes cannot learn fire.

Rather that that the conditions etc. conspired such that that tribe was ideally placed to learn fire before another tribe; as same for Europe.

Therefore rather than focus on race etc. we should focus on culture primarily, and ONLY to the extent that this 'culture' is perpetuated and maintained by a critical mass of people whom practice these ways, should we allow ourselves to tie these cultural ways with the racial group which spawned it whites.

That is why I also agree that too much immigration from places where the peoples and cultures are likely to be destructive or some hindrance to the European cultural ways and done too quickly so as to alter the demography of a nation, could annihilate this natural 'critical mass' such that the advancements of human rights and technology and other achievements in art etc. may become in danger of eroding and/or being slowly dismantled by the more dominant cultural ways which IF against western ones, the spark of "Human Rights" etc. might go out in the nation.

From that I can understand why people may assume the essential need to maintain mostly "white" people to maintain culture. Yet immigration is still ok as well as all other peoples will still one day achieve same things in own way adding to all, BUT meantime we MUST take heed of the 'western cultural critical mass'.
Posted by Jottiikii, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 10:45:42 PM
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