Ant, you say a lot but I found nothing relevant in your post. Do you mean that the fraud backing Chris Tourney should be excused his stupidity because he was misled by the Royal Society?
The “acidification of oceans” is about as relevant as the acidification of soft drinks. There has been some research on the effect of acidification on marine life, and it apparently has a positive effect.

Nature has a huge carbon cycle, which works very efficiently. It has processed all the human emissions without missing a beat. The effect of human emissions is trivial, which is why you can find no science which shows any measurable effect of human emissions.

You might acknowledge that, if you wish to contribute something relevant.

spindoc, I had a look at the reference you gave and then went to a reference that had been used by Klaus Kaiser,

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/#mlo_growth

The reference clearly shows that there is 398.03 ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. that is about 100 ppm higher than measured for the last 800,000 years

http://blog.timesunion.com/weather/400-ppm/2791/

But your point about how long carbon dioxide lasts is academic when you consider the amount of methane that is being released. That is measurable just as CO2 is.
In 1980 the amount of methane measured globally was around 1550 parts per billion, they are currently measuring around 1,900 ppb in the Arctic region alone and it is known that it is also being released elsewhere. Nothing futuristic about this. I believe the projections made are complaints made by many in relation to climate science.

Acidification has already been blamed for killing off sections of coral reefs, it is known that it will have a big impact on fisheries in the future. You might not be old enough to know able acid rain that destroyed a large section of the famous Black Forest years ago. Acidification has the same impact in the ocean. Clearly, anybody who denies acidification in oceans has done very little reading in relation to science.
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F

http://oceanacidification.net/

Leo Lane please provide references that show that acidification in the ocean is of no concern.

I would have thought being concerned for the health of fish stock would be worth considering.

ant,

You said << spindoc, I had a look at the reference you gave and then went to a reference that had been used by Klaus Kaiser, >>

Rubbish!

Once you saw on the link, the maths, the equations and real scientific analysis on the PDF file you ran a million miles in the opposite direction, you knew you were done over.

If you did read the paper on the link provided, why don’t you share with us the summary conclusions from that report that you supposedly “read”?

Just copy it out and post it!

You also said << your point about how long carbon dioxide lasts is academic”. What point was that ant? I did not make one. I simply posted a link to the challenge made by real scientists to the Royal Society that you referenced.

ant, when you have hit rock bottom, stop digging.

Ken:

Thanks for the article - very timely indeed. You may be interested in the philosophical school of critical realism, which adds a layer of philosophical support for what you're saying.

Regards,
Jim Page

Hello Ant I think I see your point here. First it was global warming now it is climate change. I do remember the acid rain hoo hah, rain is acidic and always has been. So now we are being prepared to move on to methane as a kazillion times worse than Co2 rather than stay with a current argument.
Ant, good work, a moving target is so much harder to hit. I just cannot understand how people who are not getting a nice little drink out of this nonsense support those that are? Please explain.