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SA Greens want fewer South Australians : Comments

By Malcolm King, published 11/3/2014

Humans are considered impure vandals when compared to the kind of nature idolisation that one would normally find in a William Wordsworth poem.

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It is surprising that the author only recently woke up to the fact that the Greens are anti-population -- besides being anti-development, science and economics illiterate. Such late awareness perhaps could be attributed to his living in the unreal world of Canberra.

"While I agree with the Federal Greens on the need for a climate change policy – although they voted with the Coalition against the emissions trading scheme - their position on many of these issues is inconsistent; in fact, it's bewildering."

Sadly, it appears that the author is seduced by Greens ideology, believing in the need for a climate change policy, despite the fact that there is no scientific nor economic justification for one.

At least he ends on a right note by referring to Sarah Hanson-Young's hypocrisy of opposing population growth but supporting opening Australia's borders to allcomers.
Posted by Raycom, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:49:33 AM
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Malcolm/Cheryl,

You evidently think that just wanting a better life should give people entrée to Australia. It might be interesting to look at how many people would come to Australia if we had open borders.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124028/700-million-worldwide-desire-migrate-permanently.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166796/potential-net-migration-index-declines-countries.aspx

Gallup's potential net migration index is 136% for Australia. (The number of people wanting to migrate to Australia less the number who want to permanently leave Australia is divided by Australia's total population.) This means that our population would immediately more than double if we opened our borders. Of course, if the other desirable destinations didn't open their borders too, we would get nearly all of their potential migrants as well, at least until Australia became as poor, populous, conflict ridden, and environmentally degraded as the places that people are risking their lives to escape. Why throw away our advantages of not being grossly overpopulated, having some good safety margins, and not having gaping ethnic and sectarian fracture lines in our society? Is your public relations business being paid to write this stuff?

It is amusing that you want to talk about social engineering. Isn't forcing people into high density housing (by pricing them out of anything else) when they don't want to live that way social engineering? Why is one particular immigration quota social engineering and not another?

http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/00806-city-leaders-are-love-density-most-city-dwellers-disagree

Which is worse? A Stable Population Party candidate who worked writing software for the gambling industry, but would have to quit his job and break all ties with it if elected? Or major parties that take big donations from the gambling industry and legislate accordingly? Remember how Julia Gillard broke her promise to Andrew Wilke?

Do you really expect us to believe that inadequate infrastructure that can't accommodate growth is due to universally stupid politicians? The truth is that the upfront costs of providing (non-housing) infrastructure for a new arrival are very large and won't be paid back for a very long time, so coming up with the money for it would involve some unpalatable choices. The economist Ralph Musgrave estimated 30,000 pounds (in 2008) for each new migrant to the UK.

http://ideas.repec.org/p/pra/mprapa/6869.html
Posted by Divergence, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:52:55 AM
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Hey, what do you know? I never thought I'd ever be in agreement with the greens on anything, but the only problem here is they don't go far enough.

What we need to do is excise South Australia from the Commonwealth. That way we could stop wasting WA & Queensland money, & the east coast water on the place.

As a failed state, we could preferentially accept South Ozzies as refugees, taking our entire intake from there.

Yes I know they are a greedy bunch, wanting others to pay their way, but they are angles compared to the garbage we are letting in now. Besides as we are already supporting them anyway, all we would be doing really, is moving them to more intelligent areas for settlement.

Once we have dealt with south Oz, & if we can not convince the Kiwis they need another island, we could do the same with Tasmania.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:11:53 PM
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To be honest with you Luddy, the population issue in Oz is a non starter. You folks latched on to it about 40 years too late. Would have got more coverage in the 60s. Ce la vie.

My interest is the rise of far left, far right and sociobiological groups such as yours.

What your mob gets upset about is the temporary arrivals. In the last eight years, the large rise in these has provided you with a couple of 'shock horror' news stories as people don't know there's a difference between temps and perms.

Much of the anti-population commentary is simpy regurgitated from the 50s and 60s, which shows that there is nothing new under the sun.

It has always suprised me and others that your ilk are so focused like a chook on a white line on domestic consumption, when across all sectors and commodities, that is less than 30 percent of all we make, grow and import
Posted by Malcolm 'Paddy' King, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 1:12:46 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

<<What we need to do is excise South Australia from the Commonwealth.>>

Shouldn't you start with the ACT?

South Australians and Tasmanians, you must admit, cost you orders of magnitude less than the ACT bureaucrat parasites and unlike the latter they at least don't give you orders in return!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 1:22:40 PM
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Given Michael Lardelli has eloquently written about Malcolm King already I have little to add:

http://stoppopulationgrowthnow.com/Who_are_the_true_fascists.pdf
Posted by popnperish, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 3:31:45 PM
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