One must weigh up the good with the bad.
There are risks involved in living walking across a street could be fatal.
A few children may develop an adverse reaction to immunization.
But a very larger number are going to benefit.
Polio has been wiped out through immunization
Measles has been drastically reduced.
Whooping cough has also been drastically reduced.
I agree that society should have to pay for these benefits.
Any child that develops side affects should be more than adequately compensated but that is politics not to be confused with the benefits of immunization.
However what get my goat is that anyone can see their local priest and claim an exemption. Maybe the N.S.W. government should allow exemption
from wearing seat belts on religious grounds.

Answer is no we need to continue to have a high vaccination rate and contiune to apply persire on those nuts who wish to put their childrn and the rest of us in harms ways.

The question that the anti vaccination lobby would have us focus on is "what are the risks of vaccinating?" The reality is that there are risks and no one is denying it. However, this assumes that the alternative of not vaccinating is risk free.

There are enough viruses that have nasty and long lasting consequences including HPV, glandular fever, chicken pox, HepA, HepB, some of which have frequent consequences, and others simply trigger cancer, and other conditions, or all of the above.

Any person using rational instead of emotion will see that vaccinating has negative consequences in say 5 of every 1m vaccinated, while not vaccinating has negative consequences for 5000 of every million, and see that there really is no option. This goes even further when one considers the risk that non vaccinated children pose to everyone else, it then becomes a community rather than simply a personal issue.

I personally support people wanting to keep their kids away from those who are not vaccinated and think that vaccination only child care centres are a good idea.

To assume that we know everything there is to know about vaccines and their affects on human physiology, to assume that there are no more questions to ask, is to be "anti-science" in the truest sense. Recent revelations about the whooping cough vaccine is proof alone that the way we view vaccination and implement guidelines needs to be constantly reassessed and monitored. The relative risk of adverse affect from vaccines compared to chances of contracting the illness/suffering complications is not easy to measure for an individual in a developed country especially in the absence of a epidemic, even more so without adequate adverse event monitoring. If this is true, then economic or social punishment of those who either refuse all shots or opt for a different schedule is indeed, as the author has written, ethically fraught.

I ALREADY run/out of energy fighting the sheeple..ON THE OTHER THREAD
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6258&page=0

IF i had the energy..i would pursue..the death RATES IN CAMPS GULAGS
[restrained populations/under STRESS/war etc..RECALLING WE USED TO ISOLATE/SENTENCE PEOPLE INTO CAMPS/..ISLANDS ETC to protect/the not sick..how was that called..put through in batches..into often overcrowded 'isolation'/HENCE GREAT FIelds of dead kids

arise..when parents need TO focus..on their 'WORK'
EVEN KIDDIES WERE WORKED TO DEATH..now no one cares re making sure its safe

please not here..in so few posts
we already got safe/unsafe 'CHILD MINDING'..FOR THEM INJECTED
[LITTLE REALIZING THAT'S WHO GETS SICK]..

REGARDLESS..THE PARENTS ARNT 'VACCINATED'..
BUT THE VACCINATED..WONT 'LOOK SICK'..yet theIR PARENTS/SHALL.

THE MUTATION RATE..OF THESE SICKNESS
THE SUPER BUGS..THE ADVERSE REACTIONS...IM OVER REPEATING IT

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=POPUlation+mORTALITY+DUE+TO+DISEASE++GULAgS+CAMPS

Dear Shadow Minister,

<<Any person using rational instead of emotion will see that vaccinating has negative consequences in say 5 of every 1m vaccinated>>

Rationality is always relative to the goals, which in turn depend on one's values: it questions whether certain action would serve those goals. However, values are never rational.

The desire to vaccinate is rational only by those who value the biological functioning of the human organism above one's spiritual welfare - there is nothing rational about this preference!

Dear Ponde,

<<Maybe the N.S.W. government should allow exemption from wearing seat belts on religious grounds.>>

There is no need for special favours: Nobody should be forced to wear a seat belt - it's none of the state's business. If you want to risk your life, that should only be your own problem (and YES, the state should not pay your medical expenses).

I want MY children to live long and be healthy. Thus I have made sure they are vaccinated, and I will do my damndest to make sure YOUR children are too.

Yuyutsu

At least you came clean and admitted that there is nothing rational about not vaccinating children.

I assume that you are happy for other parents to take the rational choice and ensure that their children do not come in contact with yours.

Dental X-Ray: Almost Everyone Does This at The Dentist's Office
- Why It's a Possible Recipe for Brain Cancer

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/04/26/can-dental-x-rays-cause-brain-tumor.aspx

A study in the journal Canceri shows that people who have had dental X-rays are more likely to develop a type of brain tumor called meningioma than those who have not.

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/the-war-against-the-imagination/

BUT ITS OK..JUST KNOW..you feel good by machine/made ignorance

[THE 'over the horizon..radar array']
is actually..one of three known haarps..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=haarp+mind+control&ie

[that via the iono-SPHERE]
can do amassing THINGS..[from weather control..
TO MAKING A STORM..OR DISSOLVE A STORM..MAKE HEATWAVES OR WIND STORMS..ITS EVEN HOPED THEY CAN AFFECT our mind/MATERIAL*..BUT THERE YA GO
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/white-house-attempts-to-unleash-ministry-of-truth-to-control-all-news-sources-in-america_022014
speaking OF min control..OTHERS I Have heard[from pro hat]..is dickk cheeny..has a special plane/that flies in at will in around twelve hours..that tony had a meet recently at broken hill..OR BACk of bourke

but want some real info
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sex-and-the-public-schools_022014
http://unreportedtoday.com/dr-breggin-rides-again-the-dangers-of-psychiatric-drugs.html
THE INDUSTRIES crime/fraud..http://www.psychcrime.org/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/25/obamacare-may-increase-premiums-for-11-million-workers-report-says/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-25/dad-may-join-two-moms-for-disease-free-designer-babies.html

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2014/02/24/skepticism-used-to-be-a-scientific-virtue/
TRY YESTERDAYS PODCASTS
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/podcast.php

THERE WAS A NUMBER EARLIER..5 IN A million
it minimizes even what the industry Themselves 'self report'
http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

wherE YA GET THAT NUMBER FROm?
made up?

there is some..500 plus numbers there
if you went by batch [there will be batch numbers thAT HAVE 99.999 PERCENT POSSIBILITY OF ADVERSE REACTION..[LIKE GETTING AIDS../live virus]..OR HOPPOMN COUGH...[A MICRo EVOLUTION OF hooping cough]..IT HAS THE BARK..BUT NOT THE BITE.

Dear Shadow Minister,

<<I assume that you are happy for other parents to take the rational choice and ensure that their children do not come in contact with yours.>>

I certainly respect other people's choices and hope they respect mine.

The author of this piece railed about how pharmaceutical companies are funding medical research and then immediately links to a piece of junk science funded by anti-vaccine foundations.

At least we know the pharmaceutical companies have to provide good quality data and all of their data to regulators to get registration of their products (what they put in the peer-reviewed literature is a fraction of this - usually the fraction that supports their products), their are no such conditions on what anti-vaccine groups put forward as evidence.

listen from 2.20..
talking of polio injection causing paralysis
http://rss.infowars.com/20140226_Wed_Alex.mp3

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=india+paralisis+alex+jones

THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS
BUT HECK..ITS Medication Time..GO TAKE YA PILLS

mumps outbreak affecting only vaccinated students; school bans unvaccinated students anyway
http://www.naturalnews.com/044087_vaccinated_students_mumps_outbreaks_Fordham_University.html

reports clearly indicate that all affected students had already been vaccinated for mumps,..proving once again the utter uselessness of vaccines and the imbecilic tendencies of organizations chained to the vaccine status quo.
http://xrepublic.tv/node/7650
PLEASE TRY..READING THE LINKS.

http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html

some/samples

Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease
than unvaccinated children

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html#ixzz2ubnwhfnI

http://www.naturalnews.com/036220_vaccinated_children_disease_allergies.html

vaccinated people a public health threat? Nope, people who take antibiotics are the real danger

Pediatrician's refusal to treat unvaccinated kids: Legal and ethical ramifications

Learn more:
http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html#ixzz2uboEqUuv

Concept-related articles:
Children:

* The ADHD Scam and the Mass Drugging of Schoolchildren (Transcript)
* Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007)
* Human medical experimentation on children: The exploitation of poor children by Big Pharma (part two)
* Child-centered marketing causing kids to carry unhealthy food habits into adulthood
* Top 20 things that are more dangerous to children than lead paint in Mattel toys

Disease:

* Disease Economy: How the United States economy runs on "treating" chronic disease

Vaccine:

* Facebook crowdsourced investigation exposes vaccine denials of SIGA Technologies

Research:

* Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1965-2005)

Adults:

* Shock vaccine study reveals influenza vaccines only prevent the flu in 1.5 out of 100 adults (not 60% as you've been told)

Childhood:

* Why Vaccinations Harm Children: Health Experts Sound Off

Researchers:

* Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1833-1965)

Vaccines:

* Institute of Medicine adverse reactions report admits MMR vaccines cause measles, seizures, anaphylaxis and other health problems

Adhd:

* While scientists clash over the dangers of ADHD drugs, the U.S. government does nothing to protect children

Mercury:

* Mercury Fillings Shattered! FDA, ADA Conspiracy to Poison Children with Toxic Mercury Fillings Exposed in Groundbreaking Lawsuit

Autism:

* The great thimerosal cover-up: Mercury, vaccines, autism and your child's health

Thimerosal:

* The great thimerosal cover-up: Mercury, vaccines, autism and your child's health

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html#ixzz2ubp17VAK

FROM
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6258&page=0
KEY INFO
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=DOSE+needed+to+treAT++NUMBER&i

THERE IS A SPECIAL NUMBER MEDICINE DONT LIKE TO talk about
the numbers needed tO BE TREATED/TO Obtain..one cure

[i recall with stroke medication..for example..180 need to take the billion dollar subsidized MEDICINE..FOR ONE CURE*

so 180 have adverse reaction..FOR ONE CURE
ITS INSANE..

GOVT IS throwing money away slow killing us
when all they need do is look at the numbers..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_needed_to_treat

The number needed to treat (NNT) is an epidemiological measure used in assessing the effectiveness of a health-care intervention, typically a treatment with medication. The NNT is the average number of patients who need to be treated to prevent one additional bad outcome (i.e. the number of patients that need to be treated for one to benefit compared with a control in a clinical trial). It is defined as the inverse of the absolute risk reduction.

It was described in 1988.[1] The ideal NNT is 1, where everyone improves with treatment and no one improves with control. The higher the NNT, the less effective is the treatment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_needed_to_harm
The number needed to harm (NNH) is an epidemiological measure that indicates how many patients need to be exposed to a risk-factor over a specific period to cause harm in one patient that would not otherwise have been harmed.[1] It is defined as the inverse of the attributable risk. Intuitively, the lower the number needed to harm, the worse the risk-factor.

GOVT POLICY IS RE DUMBING/US DOWN
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=dumbing+sown+education&i

cure ignorance..GET Educated
healthy mind-healthy body
http://www.cochrane.org/glossary

Live Flu Vaccines Increase Infectious Bacteria Counts 100-Fold in Mice

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/03/live-flu-vaccines-increase-infectious.html

If presumably safer "attenuated" flu vaccines are supposed to protect against influenza and its sometimes deadly complications, then why do vaccinated mice have up to 100-fold higher levels of flu-associated pathogenic bacteria than non-vaccinated mice?

A concerning new study published in mBio, an open access journal of the American Society of Microbiology, titled, "Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine Enhances Colonization of Streptococcus pneumoniae and Staphylococcus aureus in Mice," reveals that live attenuated influenza vaccines (LAIVs) lead to the rapid and sustained overgrowth of pathogenic bacteria in the upper respiratory tract of mice at colonization densities up to 100-fold higher than non-vaccinated mice.

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/02/27/irs-posts-enforcement-notices-for-2014-obamacare-extortion-payments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29

http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/rule-from-the-shadows-the-psychology-of-power-part-1/

govt..systematically attempting..“to control,
infiltrate,..manipulate,..and warp online..discourse”.
http://intellihub.com/yes-paid-government-trolls-social-media-blogs-forums-websites/

5 Reasons..Monsanto’s ‘Science’ Doesn’t Add Up
http://www.essentialprepper.com/5-reasons-monsantos-science-doesnt-add/

To hear the pesticide and junk food marketers..of the world tell it, anyone who questions the value,..legitimacy or safety of GMO (genetically modified organisms)..crops is naïv.., anti-science and irrational..to the point of hysteria.

But how long can Monsanto ignore the mounting actual scientific evidence that their technology is not only failing to live up to its promises, it’s putting public health at risk?

Doctors warn new FDA-approved painkiller is deadly dangerous
http://rt.com/usa/new-painkiller-deadly-dangerous-260/

Although the opiate Zohydro was ultimately approved by the US Food and Drug administration, that endorsement went against the recommendation given by the agency’s own advisory panel. The panel voted 11 – 2 against approving the drug, but the FDA argued its availability is necessary to help patients unfazed by current medication.

The new drug hasn’t become available yet, but a group of more than 40 doctors is hoping to preempt its release by urging the FDA to reconsider its decision. According to the letter penned by the doctors, Zohydro is five to 10 times stronger than its nearest equivalent, Vicodin, and has the potential to cause a severe rise in overdose deaths.

The doctors warned that the drug could potentially kill an individual after taking only two Zohydro capsules. A child, meanwhile, could suffer a fatal overdose from just one pill.

Just to dig the boot in a little deeper
Wednesday, March 12, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BOJA98W6b0&feature=player_embedded
Rare Interview of Amish Family Ordered Into Experimental Chemotherapy
Heather Callaghan
Activist Post
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/12/ohio-ends-stand-off-over-amish-girl.html

The Hershberger Ohioans, namely 11-year-old Sarah Hershberger, are ready to move beyond the chaos-filled last year of her lymphoblastic lymphoma and a raging court battle. The chaos of a ridiculous media smear campaign and an aggressive Akron Children's Hospital who sought a judge that would court-order an already holistically healed girl into hospital guardianship and back into two years of experimental drugs that were previously killing her -

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/12/amish-family-avoiding-forced-chemo-back.html
against her will and the family's wishes. The family finally gets to share their side and talk about fleeing the U.S.

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/grandfather-of-amish-girl-refusing.html
The Amish don't allow formal interviews and after last year's mainstream treatment swore them off. But Reason.TV has captured their story in this unique micro-documentary which finally allows the viewer to see the girl catapulted into a most public battle - Sarah Hershberger.
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/rare-interview-of-amish-family-ordered.html

IM NOTING ITS flue advet season
see rge advert/ho ON GET YA SHOT..[3 FLUES ARE COVERD FOR ONE 20 DOLLAR SHOT
[NONE OF WICH IS THE PRESENT FLUE]

ANYHOW
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/obamacare-individual-mandate-repealed.html

THE KEY..if you cant explain it..exactly
thats exactly what they want/speCIFICLY.
http://www.naturalnews.com/044288_mainstream_media_vague_information_lies.html

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140312/14111926555/nsa-decides-it-wants-to-hold-metadata-indefinitely-asks-fisa-court-to-reverse-decision-telling-it-to-destroy-records.shtml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579939/Children-suffer-horrific-effects-Americas-use-chemical-weapons-Vietnam-War.html

http://misguidedchildren.com/foreign-affairs/2014/03/senate-bill-to-give-more-money-to-the-imf/16869
Take the Government Back from the Government -
NSA Whistleblower Thomas Drake With Jesse Ventura

http://xrepublic.tv/node/7913