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Evolution Weekend: different ways of knowing : Comments

By Michael Zimmerman, published 6/2/2014

This weekend marks the ninth year that hundreds of religious leaders all over the world have agreed to celebrate Evolution Weekend.

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the/BODY OF CHRIST..ON EARTH..IS HIS CHURCH MATE

pere/cules/please see tHIS LINK
http://humanorigins.si.edu/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/images/landscape/primate-family-tree-780x520_0.gif

iTs FROM YOUR LINK
PLEASE NOTE,,at link..THE WRITING..dis-closure..IN RED

PLEASE CONFIRM..THAT IT SAYS..THE LAST COMMON ANCESTOR..OF HUMANS AND CHIMPS/lived between 8 AND SIX MILLIONS Of years ago

elsewhere on your site link/proof lol
it says the last neoanderthol..lived 200,000 years ago
further i seem to recall..THAT HUMANS ARE BETWEEN 80 MILION and 120 million years old

does nare the twain shall be MEET
MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU"

but heck..look at the pretty pictures..chimps chimps chimps man..its insane[that you a man of science cant see the white crossbreED PIG THAT SIRED THE CLUCH OF PIggy faces

ditto that imagry
of the ape wALKING E A MAN..INTO A MAN WALKING LIKE AN APE..INTO A BENT OVER MAn before standing..[look at the Images/APE FROM MAN IMAGE ISNT ANYTHING ALIKE EXCEPT WITH ARTISTIC LICENSE

THINK HOW MANY IMAGES..THEY SHOWn us..based on a few fossil fragments[its that fraud that inspired climate change MODELING/THE ROOT OF THE BAD FRuit is bad science

you still refuse to name names
that reveals IT ALL

YOUR LINK IS NUTHIN/BUT PROOF YA GOT NUTHIN

AS YOUR SO FOND OF SAYINg say it in your own words
when GOD ASKS YOU WHY DO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU DENNEY HIM

Below are some of the still unanswered questions about H. neanderthalensis that may be better answered with future discoveries:

1. Will more studies of Neanderthal DNA help us identify what is unique about the modern human genome compared with our closest extinct relatives, the Neanderthals?

DNA has been recovered from more than a dozen Neanderthal fossils, all from Europe; the Neanderthal Genome Project is one of the exciting new areas of human origins research...that has dead ended..long ago/like the tree of life and taxonomy just quietlY DIED
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 16 March 2014 9:32:23 AM
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Pericles,
We all believe we're following the weight of evidence (or at least I do).

I struggle to understand the motivation for your questions. You seem comfortable with your atheist position, yet continually ask about my beliefs. If atheism be true and correct, then my beliefs are meaningless, and I'm wasting my time even considering them, and consequently, so are you in questioning them.

There are endless questions we could explore and discuss here if time was unlimited (e.g. locating in exactly which Biblical generation the Neanderthal people lived in Europe after the flood,) as interesting as they may be. 

But to try to stay on topic, I usually try to limit my postings to points related to the original article in question. In this case, I wanted to challenge Zimmerman's article and his advocacy for Darwinian evolution. I wasn't impressed by much of what he said, and thought I could offer a creationist counterpoint. I think I have stated my objections to his article reasonably in my posts above.
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Monday, 17 March 2014 3:20:48 AM
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That's exactly what fascinates me, Dan S de Merengue.

>>Pericles, We all believe we're following the weight of evidence (or at least I do).<<

What makes you such an interesting correspondent is the fact that the entire "weight of evidence" that you follow rests in a collection of writings founded in bronze-age mythology. Which I find quite intriguing.

>>I struggle to understand the motivation for your questions. You seem comfortable with your atheist position, yet continually ask about my beliefs.<<

That is precisely my motivation. You seem as comfortable in your young-earth creationism as I am in my atheism. Neither one of us has the faintest chance of persuading the other out of our beliefs, which makes for a thoroughly non-threatening environment in which to explore the thought processes behind that conceptual chasm.

>>If atheism be true and correct, then my beliefs are meaningless, and I'm wasting my time even considering them, and consequently, so are you in questioning them.<<

I am pretty certain that there can be no agreement between us as to what is "true and correct" here, as we patently differ in the way we view the world. So it is pure intellectual curiosity on my part, and it would be disappointing - for me - if you thought you had nothing to offer on that basis.

>>There are endless questions we could explore and discuss here if time was unlimited (e.g. locating in exactly which Biblical generation the Neanderthal people lived in Europe after the flood,)<<

Well, yes. That's what I had in mind.

Any offers?

>>But to try to stay on topic, I usually try to limit my postings to points related to the original article in question.<<

Oh.

Ok then.

Perhaps another time?
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 17 March 2014 10:15:32 AM
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pericules..CHILDREN/CAN BE GUIDED BY THE WORDS OF OLD TEXTS
who are known by their fruits across at least two Milena[you take old/to mean one thing..I TAKE OLD AS MEANING MANY BEFORE YOU WERE GUIDED/BY THE LEANINGS OF THESE TEXTS

in court you are required to swear stuff is true ON A TEXT
much of what we call law AND GOVT..even science/education literacy ETC..all have received inputs from these texts..olD dONT MEAN DEFUNCT/OBSOLETE OR INCORRECT

think of them like a puzzle..each generation CAN MULL OVER
OR IKE THE PLAYS OF SHAKING SPEARS..OR THE OLD MAN OF THE SEA[OR THE THOUGHTS/ORDERS AND LOGISTICS OF PERICLES ..OR THE EVOLUTION OF Species..[because evolution of genus is insane][see how Darwin/even then knew genus was the boundary of related species.

i reckon if we dwelt [DELAY]..long enough..the fact that we got no proof of evolutions theses..FROM PERICULES..LIKE THE FIRST LIFE FROM NON LIFE AND THE science proof of even one genus creating another genus..[SANS THE pig rape thesis]..that created the hybriD CALLS HUH?-MAN

ITS OK TO BE CONSISTENTLY IGNORED BY ONE not knowing of what HE SPEAKS...thus hounds other so he wont be seen AS RUNNING AWAY YET AGAIN..hoping the other gives up first and he somehow can claim to have has final say..[DESPITE NOT SAYING MUCH]..the only thing MORE PATHETIC IS MY Keenness T0 REPLY HIS REDIRECTION..

HOW clever are you if you..take as gospel truth
a theory AS FULL OF FRAUD Error and bias..such as evolution..as if science..but in fact just a god free thesis to deceive kids taught it as if science.

anyhow dan..you got him on the hook
CAUSE HE THINKS Your the bait
here is some BAIT..SEE WHEN YOU CAN SEE THE HUMAN BECOME APE
http://www.gifbin.com/986355
a bigger 'PRINT'/VERSION
http://9gag.com/gag/a9dqoYo/the-evolution-of-prehistoric-ape-to-man

The ones we were raised on
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4TxNdb3tFeEKxUsQbtiq4YEeDA3QkLKZM7O55OanhAlK2gqOJrugTacI
Posted by one under god, Monday, 17 March 2014 11:30:25 AM
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Pericles,
I think I've pointed out to you before that the evidence we share is the same: the rocks, the fossils, the data; the body of empirical evidence. It's all the same. The difference is in the way we might view the evidence. I view it through a biblical lens, you through a long age/evolutionary/atheist lens. Of course, the resultant interpretation of the [same] evidence will be different. If you believe the evidence just 'speaks for itself', you're probably not accounting for the effects your culture and upbringing have had on your interpretations.

I don't share your curiosity for things which are not true. I seek the truth. Any scientific endeavour should aim at finding truth.

But here's me doing your homework for you. It's a possible creationist timeline, written by Australian geologist, Andrew Snelling.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v8/n2/ice-age-biblical-history
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 12:23:24 AM
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There can be no doubt that we assess evidence in an entirely different manner, Dan S de Merengue.

For example, this excerpt from the "homework" you kindly provided:

"The Bible also reveals that humanity stayed at the plains around Babel until “the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth” (Genesis 11:9). This means that at least three generations passed between the Flood and the first appearance of humans in Africa, Asia, and Europe."

I'm not sure what the word "scattered" means to you, but to me it would imply a form of lifting up and distributing. Given the speed with which the people of those days were able to travel under their own steam, as it were, what images form in your mind, when you read sentences like that? Do you actually "see" the people being transferred from one place to another by divine intervention?

The author of the piece certainly sees it that way:

"Twice the Bible repeats that “the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth” (Genesis 11:8–9). Notice that this was the Lord’s doing. This supernatural event is essential for a proper understanding of human history. Yet without God’s written Word archaeologists would have no way of knowing this happened."

That last sentence is particularly odd reasoning, to my mind. Archaeologists understand ancient migration patterns pretty well, without requiring the Bible as a reference point.

And this is exactly the reason I look forward to our exchanges. It provides an insight into a mode of thinking that I find completely fascinating.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 6:54:10 AM
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