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Climate change is here despite denial : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 4/2/2014

Seems it never rains in Southern California. But California Dreamin' has become a California Dryin' nightmare and many are praying for the drought to end.

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I have watched your usual twisting and turning and have nothing to add to your title as olo's 'witless Goebels' who employs an inaccracy producing methodology.
You've simply exposed yourself all over again.

And still you haven'd explained how the following fit your fantasy:
Increasing durinal temp range.
Increasing ice caps.
Stable surface temps.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 10 February 2014 5:05:48 PM
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James are you now suggesting you might not think warming is occurring but whether it is warming or cooling doesn't really matter, yet you acknowledge you don't really know to what extent humans are influencing that change but that we should develop and introduce policies that will control those changes.

I think it was better that you kept silent.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 10 February 2014 5:07:23 PM
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Cohenite Whoa, The ABC reported this afternoon that in fact global temperatures have not gone up. No mention of why they have said they have been, and its the hottest year on record, we are all going to die reports for ever?
Turns out it's the Trade Winds! Yes the Trade Winds! they are pushing all the warmth to the bottom of the sea. No seriously that is what they reported. What utter nonsense we have now reached the realms of Wonderland! Oh Toto we are not in Kansas anymore.
If it had not cost so much money it would be funny. BOM head sacked. ABC head sacked and no pensions for you bad boys.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 10 February 2014 6:00:48 PM
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I have been reluctant to reenter this discussion because it is obvious from the 4 or 5 commenters who have dominated the past dozen pages of comments that they are talking past each other. People arguing from entrenched positions, impervious to rational debate and intent of ad hominen attacks do NOT add to the sum of human knowledge. We are long overdue for a period of silence from you people, and you know who you are.

One of the main themes seems to be that because global temperatures have plateaued over the past 12-15 years then this is a fatal blow to those who argue that global warming is happening, and that humans are primarily responsible. That these are two separate issues seems to escape most.

This morning SMH carried a story that research by Professor Matthew England and his colleagues demonstrates that the so-called plateau is due to unprecedented strengthening of east-west trade winds. This is likely to be a finite process and when it ends, sooner rather than later, temperatures will recommence their rapid increase with potentially catastrophic consequences.

I don't have the expertise to evaluate the scientific validity of this claim, which will undoubtedly be subject to analysis in other peer reviewed literature. What I am not prepared to do, unlike Bowyer and others, to dismiss it as some lunatic conspiracy theory. I am happy to see what the real debate brings, not the ravings all too obvious above.

For those who missed the point I made earlier, the Heartland Institute is one of the lunatic ravers and those who rely on it as a source for anything only demonstrate all too clearly their profound ignorance of what scientific inquiry is all about.
Posted by James O'Neill, Monday, 10 February 2014 7:17:15 PM
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“Judge not, lest ye yourself be judged”.
Liars think everyone is dishonest; cheaters expect to be cheated and thieves know there is no honour among thieves.
Ultimately, the flat earthers rely entirely on the idea that 97% of all climate scientists are rogues, while 3% are honourable, objective and honest.
IOW, they think scientists are much like lawyers.
Posted by Grim, Monday, 10 February 2014 8:24:44 PM
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J Bowyer the 'heat is at the bottom of the ocean' meme really sums up AGW; a totally fanciful idea contradicted completely by the evidence in this case the measurement of Outgoing Longwave Radiation; see the NOAA graph:

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/teleconnections/olr-s-pg.gif

And the graph based on the NOAA data and the temperature data from HadCRUT 3:

http://www.climate4you.com/images/NOAA%20CPC%20EquatorOutgoingLWradiationAnomalyMonthly%20and%20HadCRUT3%20since1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif

What these graphs show is that there is NO OLR available to be at the bottom of the ocean because it has left the planet.

Now look at this Grim character with his grubby little comment; how arrogant.

And we see the other sort of arrogance from O'Neill who is morally superior to the 'deniers'. But at least we have confirmation that the temperature has stopped rising when O'Neill witlessly refers to England's latest 'paper'.

England is an activist and devotee of AGW. Trade winds!? We saw an attempt before by Trenberth, the originator of this idea of the missing heat being at the ocean bottom to explain it by winds:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract

So have the winds increased:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/AMSR-E-ocean-surface-wind-anomalies.png

No. What a load of BS.
Posted by cohenite, Monday, 10 February 2014 9:49:18 PM
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