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Justification and excuse : Comments

By Max Atkinson, published 31/12/2013

What ideas prompted the Liberal party's refusal to apologise to the stolen generation and its about face when Howard was replaced by Brendan Nelson?

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Dear Hasbeen,

There are lawyers, and there are lawyers. Like any group of humans they are different from one another. Some are crooked. Some aren't. I am reading "Team of Rivals" which deals with Lincoln filling his cabinet with his former political rivals. I get the impression that Lincoln was a very moral man, and that his morals would stack up favourably against those of most people. Some lawyers are very concerned to promote justice. He was one of them and was not unique in that endeavour.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 1:20:54 PM
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Dear Aristocrat,

I have not yet read this article - I will read it AFTER replying to you.

Morality IS independent on time and biology, because morality is based on just one independent principle - Hillel's golden rule:

WHAT YOU HATE DONE TO YOU - DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS.

There are no cultural discounts and morality does not shift according to our whims. What may however change, perhaps, is which things we hate done unto us. As some commented, such a change could occur as a result of gaining new information.

Now off to read the article - see what the fuss is all about.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 1:43:04 PM
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OK, after reading the article I find it indeed a storm in a tea-cup, at least the first part. Yet the second part claims:

<<the nation, as a political entity, is responsible for what its governments do>>

So if you are looking for a culprit, then you are welcome to look up in my attic and under my bed, or anywhere else you like - because you won't find any nation there (but if you do, then by all means give it a good hiding).

Just remember: has anyone ever asked for your consent to belong to that 'nation' of theirs?
Yet now they want you to share the blame.
Sadly, this wouldn't be the first nor probably the last time when bullies frame other innocent people for their own crimes.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 2:55:57 PM
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I have read that there have been a number of court cases that have
tried to establish that there was a "stolen generation" but all have failed.
No doubt some children were removed from their parents for welfare of
the children but the "stolen generation" seems to be something different.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 3:54:35 PM
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The only successful claim for being 'stolen' by an aboriginal was Trevorrow which also established there was no systemic process for removing aboriginal children. Other cases have also confirmed this in WA, Vic, NT and SA.

The "stolen generations" concept is another politically correct lie by the progressives who infested the previous ALP and Green governments.
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 4:10:35 PM
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Following is a remark by the Judge in the latest failed “stolen generation” case:
“This is the twentieth case in State, Federal and High Courts involving significant Stolen Generations claims, and the nineteenth to see the claims thrown out”. Justice Pritchard found:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
The successful case did not succeed on th basis that the subject was one of the “stolen generation”. Damages were awarded on a different basis.

Twenty failed attempts to establish the myth by resorting to facts found not to exist.
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 4:21:15 PM
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