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By Jim Green, published 23/12/2013Nuclear generation fell in no less than 17 countries, including all of the top five nuclear-generating countries. Nuclear power accounted for 17% of global electricity generation in 1993 and it has steadily declined to 10% now.
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Posted by Bob Wallace, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 3:12:34 PM
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Coaxing the lobster into the cooking pot with warm water to make it comfy.. Ha ha, love it, dead accurate!
Bob, the language you use, in terms of the warm and soft 'sustainability' meme is soooo transparent . Refer to Cohenite, Arjay, Spindoc and Plantagenet above. Agenda 21 is out of the kennel and off the leash and the more astute mentioned above can see it running around pooping in their local government areas. 'Be off' with your forked tongued subversion of our freedoms! Posted by Prompete, Thursday, 26 December 2013 5:54:57 AM
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Bob,
Haven't met too many people who are against sustainable development. But our experience Down Under has been that those who see sustainability as all about solar and wind are from the extreme left side of politics --and do very much have an "over the top" agenda. <<Hey! Do you know that now with Obamacare paranoids in the US can get treatment covered by their health insurance? Got anything like that down under?>> Sorry, can't advise you in this regard having had no call for it --and in fact, I don't think there is much calling for it Down Under, generally--it being more a north Atlantic thing. But a word of advice, I'm hearing that Omnbamacare is so full of holes it wont survive Obama, so I'd suggest if you are sitting on any unredeemed shrink consultation/treatment fees you'd better trot along to your local Obamacare outlet and redeem them real quick. Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 26 December 2013 6:15:24 AM
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One can't support the continued use of coal and oil and be in favor of sustainable development at the same time. If one wants sustainable then we have to look for energy sources that won't run out or screw up our climate.
It shouldn't be a left/right thing, but it is. In the US it is starting to break down, but the right has until recently been very strongly anti-renewable energy. But now we have the Tea Party in Georgia campaigning for more solar on the grid and Republican governors lobbying for continued support for wind. Some of our most conservative (right wing) states (South Dakota, Iowa and Texas) are the most heavily into renewables. As for Obamacare, you need a different information source. The web site got off to a very bad start, but that's now straightened out. The cost of insurance policies has decreased from initial estimates and over 5 million people who did not have health insurance now are insured. With quality policies. I suspect that before the end of 2014 most of the 30 million people who had no health coverage will find their way to coverage. The only thing that might interfere with that is the Republican governors of some states are refusing to let single poor people sign up for federal paid for Medicaid. They will be under a lot of pressure from their hospitals because uninsured people must be treated if they show up in emergency rooms and hospitals are having to eat those costs. The cost of treating the uninsured has caused some hospitals to close their emergency rooms. Republicans (conservatives) are fighting very hard against Obamacare because they realize that people are going to love it once they figure it out and that will help Democrats (liberals) win elections in the future. Posted by Bob Wallace, Thursday, 26 December 2013 8:03:11 AM
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"Agenda 21 is out of the kennel and off the leash."
Yep. Most people in most countries have figured out that some day oil, natural gas and coal will run out. And that if we keep burning it until it's gone we'll melt the polar ice caps, flooding our cities, and create massive weather/climate problems for ourselves. That's why we are right now seeing a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. A few countries like North Korea are holding back, but most are on board. (It is voluntary, you remember?) It's why were starting to see a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action. And why we are starting to integrate sustainability into individual and collective decision-making at every level. Each country is finding its own best route. (It's non-binding, do you recall? No need to fear the black helicopters.) Had we been smart enough to start earlier we could have avoided a lot of pain. But, being humans, we tend to not get started on fixing problems until after we've messed in the nest. Sometimes a good idea is nothing more than a good idea.... Posted by Bob Wallace, Thursday, 26 December 2013 8:13:47 AM
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Bob,
I doubt if there is any way known that solar and wind can supply the worlds current needs. Yes, work towards replacements,and that is happening, but only someone foolhardy --or the same thing, someone with left-Green leanings-- would expect us to go cold turkey in the next decade. It is very telling that the article writer (Green by name and conviction) was pretty much saying: "Hardy Har Har...nuclear is failing" while seemingly completely oblivious of the fact that in the countries he cited where nuclear retreated or stalled carbon based sources would have been tapped to fill the gap. And your attempt to shame us in/by comparison with China was equally mischievous. (by the way North Korea is not the Green energy lagard you imply: http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/korean_peninsula/AJ201111290057) The thing you need to be mindful of is that countries like China , North Korea, India etc are not developing Green sources because they are IPCC acolytes. They are concurrently developing all energy sources with the view to self sufficiency--and if tomorrow any of them discovered a Saudi type oil field it would be developed without the slightest hesitation. <<Each country is finding its own best route>> Hardy Har Har! maybe it's you who needs better sources. Please read the left-Greens/IPCCs fine print. I think you'll find most of your like minded concerned environmentalists are pushing for one route overseen by one world body --funded by multi-trillion dollar climate reparations from the West. Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 26 December 2013 9:29:40 AM
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reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world
has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both
governments and individuals and an unprecedented
redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift
will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences
of every human action be integrated into individual and
collective decision-making at every level."
Well, seems a bit over the top. Clearly we need to switch to sustainable practices. Otherwise we wipe our economies out and we "return to the cave".
But it's not going to take disruptive or even that noticeable action.
Move electricity generation to renewables.
Move most transportation to electric. What we can't can be done with biofuels.
Make our houses more efficient and heat them with heat pumps, especially geothermal heat pumps.
Substitute non-petroleum feedstocks for petroleum feedstocks. Sustainable materials for non-sustainable.
Don't think we'll need 'one world order' to do that. It's just common sense.
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Hey! Do you know that now with Obamacare paranoids in the US can get treatment covered by their health insurance? Got anything like that down under?