Hi Pete,

Kyoto expired in intensive care in December 2012. At this point in time there is no replacement for anyone to sign. A draft is planned for approval in 2015 which is planned to come into effect in 2020 in the remote possiblitlity that someone may sign it.

Unfortunately the developed nations will sign nothing if the developing nations don't sign up. Since china and India changed clause 2b of the Warsaw draft to eliminate any binding commitments by developing nations until 2030, who is going to sign what precisely?

Tell us again about this "Kyoto" thingy you speak of?

Hi spindoc

Thanks for clarifying that the Kyoto process or follow-up agreements are no more.

Its interesting how Western Eurocentric the renewalists are. Outside of Western Europe carbon use is growing rapidly. Any moral influence of reducing carbon use (entertained by Western Europe or the likes of Rudd) is an illusion.

Cheers

Pete

I don't like the Greens mainly because of their support of the anti human United Nations Agenda 21.

However on Fukushima, they are right. It is an ongoing disaster that is being covered up. Any Journo in Japan will now get 10 yrs gaol for printing uncensored Govt spin. It is far worse than Chernobyl and is currently equal to 15000 Hiroshima Bombs.

The Govt feeds data on gamma rays but there is not data on hot particle alpha rays form elements such as Caesium 137 which our bodies absorb and slowly cause cancer and birth deformities.http://fairewinds.org/

I did not think I would see the economic failure of nuclear energy in my lifetime.
I was warned of this in a book I read before peak oil occurred.
The warning was that if we did not use the power of the coal and oil
energy sources before peak oil to produce whatever the replacement
energy source was to be, we would never achieve a new viable industrial energy system.

It now appears that the financial system cannot produce the funds to
enable the building of new nuclear plant let alone a completely energy new regime.

Likewise, we are now struggling to produce 5% of the worlds demand of
the existing declining energy sources with renewables.
It will hopefully not have a major effect on myself but my children
and grandchildren are in for a rough time of it.

The basis of the problem is that peak oil occurred a lot earlier than
many thought possible and of course the politicians dismissed the idea totally.
The tight oil production in the US has given them a few years grace
which is why their economy is picking up slightly but it is beginning
to look like that is about to end 10 years earlier than expected.

For Australia, the only mitigation I can see is to immediately ban
all export of coal and gas and use the extra time that will give us
to build tidal, solar, wind and whatever the best alternatives will be.
We will have to be selfish enough to keep for ourselves all our energy
sources or stave or live a subsistence farming life with the rest of the world.

Bob Wallace says:

"Wind and solar are already competitive in parts of the world. The average price for wind purchase agreements in 2011 and 2012 was 4 cents per kWh. About 5.3 cents with the subsidy added back in.

Solar is now selling for 5 cents per kWh in the Southwest. 6.3 cents with the subsidy included.

Both are less than half the cost of new nuclear. Or new coal."

All rubbish, complete and utter.

Wind and solar do not work at any price.

I suggest that any electorate which votes in a green or an advocate of wind and solar is mandated to ONLY get its power from these sources.

If Greenies love the dark so much that is what they should get. It won't change their minds [sic] but it will demonstrate to wavers and fence-sitters who have not thought properly about wind and solar that they are chimeras and scams.

The debate about nuclear power is similar to what the US Navy would do
if Iran blocked the Straits of Hormuz.
Well they would do nothing because the unblocking would be controlled
by the insurance companies.

Whether nuclear power stations are built will be decided by the insurance companies.
If they say no, they will not be built.
I think that currently the premiums would be unaffordable.
It would be hard to get even thorium reactors accepted.
You could not get even workers compensation policies.
Remember it was not the politicians who outlawed smoking in offices.
It was the insurance companies.