Why isnt it completely obvious that somewhere down the line theses oh-so-clever experiments will inevitably cause all kinds of Pandora's Box unintended consequences.
http://gmo.mercola.com
http://i-sis.org.uk
And why not Google Monsanto as evil corporation?
Would you really allow the future of humankind to be placed in the hands of such an outrageously perfidious outfit?

There are some reasonably plausible arguments for GM, the main one being food security and the ability to feed poorer countries without using up and degrading more land and wilderness.

But, luxury items like Atlantic salmon? That has nothing to do with feeding the poor.

As for fish farms and eating more fish to save consumers from heart disease; well, the poor don’t suffer from obesity or heart disease – they suffer from malnutrition and starvation.

There is probably a good side to GM crops – or their might be when many concerns are dealt with – but using a luxury food item for the rich and self-indulgent is not a good way to promote it.

There is also probably a path towards GM crops somewhere between the ideological ‘antis’ and the we-want-more-money greedy; but this article will do nothing for people inclined to see the positive side of GM.

Daffy Duck - shame on you for feeding the nonsense the surrounds genetically modified foods. Go and look at both the links you cite.. the first is just a list of alarmist nonsense; the second involves an obscure dispute .. both sure indications of the complete lack of evidence concerning the harmful effects of GM foods..

NeverTrustPoliticians
Why on earth should be matter if Atlantic salmon, as opposed to any other fish, are genetically modified? And what consequences are you talking about.. so far there have not been any identifiable consequences.. there have been studies pointing to marginal effects on the eco systems and one animal study (I think), but its pretty poor stuff..

All public opinion surveys by Biotech Australia & Swinburne find Australians very risk averse and unwilling to eat GM animals. David therefore pushes a product that no-one wants. In the Senate will he 'froth at the mouth' in a tantrum when he cannot have his way fith GM and guns?

His sanitised account of GM salmon is far from reality. Salmon fingerlings would be made in Canada where escapees may impact the fertility of wild salmon http://tinyurl.com/m83jd9a The fish would be grown in a Panamanian lake & exported to the USA for eating.

So there are 3 government jurisdictions to satisfy before GM salmon can proceed. The FDA's food safety assessment is incomplete: http://tinyurl.com/buass5j so asserting their safety is premature. Ecological impacts are also uncertain e.g: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC438972/ The salmon are said to grow twice as fast and large as conventional fish, so dredging the sea to feed them would take a massive environmental toll.

David derides GM-free advocates for accepting genetically manipulated micro-organisms that produce insulin and useful proteins. But this is not inconsistent at all as they are kept in secure contained vats within factories. Like contained research, these industrial activities should not release any living GM organisms to open environments where they may wreak ecological havoc.

Get off your hobby-horses Dave!

>>All public opinion surveys by Biotech Australia & Swinburne find Australians very risk averse and unwilling to eat GM animals.<<

I'm Australian and and I'm very risk averse but I'm perfectly willing to eat GM animals because there is no credible evidence of health risks from eating GM food. It poses about as much danger fluoridated water and vaccination.

This is a product that has obvious environmental benefits. It is a product that I want to buy: that I would buy in preference to products farmed by methods that are less efficient (hence more wasteful, hence less environmentally sound). It seems there's a pretty obvious solution that will keep both parties happy: allow the sale GM food but make sure it is clearly labelled. The idiot hippies who have trouble applying their critical faculties can avoid it, and the rational people who care more about empirical data than ideology can consume it.

What's the problem with that? Why do the god-damn hippies feel such a need to control other people's lives? I'm happy for them to go off and live in communes and not bathe and listen crappy hippy music if that's what makes them happy. Why are hippies so radically opposed to anybody having the freedom to make choices that hippies don't approve of?

Cheers,

Tony

Bob Phelps: “Salmon fingerlings would be made in Canada where escapees may impact the fertility of wild salmon”

That paper does not support such a claim. The only discussion in the paper about fertility aspects of GM salmon is the suggestion that conditional or impaired fertility in GM salmon could be a containment approach. The GM salmon from AquAdvantage o not have that.

Bob Phelps: “The FDA's food safety assessment is incomplete”

That link is to the environmental assessment. The food safety assessment is complete. The FDA concluded that “food from the triploid ABT Salmon that is the subject of this application is as safe as food from conventional salmon, and that there is a reasonable certainty of no harm from consumption of food from triploid ABT salmon. No animal feed consumption concerns were identified.”

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/VeterinaryMedicineAdvisoryCommittee/UCM224762.pdf

Ah well, I suppose Bob Phelps does have a 20 year career to look after.

Agronomist: Your link is to the briefing packet, not final decision. Among other things, the briefing addresses fertility thus: "based on research on other triploid fish, particularly females, we have reason to believe that the population of triploid, all-female AquAdvantage Salmon will be effectively sterile, with fertility greatly reduced or eliminated as a result of triploidy. However, it is recognized that a small proportion of the fish population, particularly those that are not triploid (i.e., &#8804;5%), may be fertile." Plenty of potential there to impact the fertility of wild stocks as Devlin's modelling work (not referenced by the FDA) attests. The briefing also says: "ABT has not submitted any specific data to show whether or not AquAdvantage Salmon are indeed sterile."

The food safety assessment is based on 'substantial equivalence' not experimental data as far as I can tell. Not good enough!

Tony Lavis: The flaw in your approach is that there is no effective labelling in Australia of any foods made using genetic manipulation techniques. Download Food Standard 1.5.2 here: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013C00199/Download and you’ll see that only 1 of the 50+ events approved may sometimes require a label. You are gratuitously insulting to most people as you are in the small minority who do not care if an animal is GM, or why.

>>The flaw in your approach is that there is no effective labelling in Australia of any foods made using genetic manipulation techniques. Download Food Standard 1.5.2 here: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013C00199/Download and you’ll see that only 1 of the 50+ events approved may sometimes require a label.<<

The Food Standards Code is statutory law that can be easily changed by an Act of Parliament. Parliament enact new laws and amend old ones all the time. In fact, that is their job: why we elect them and why we pay them. A bad law is not an excuse to throw your hands up in dismay and say 'woe unto us for the law will not permit a reasonable course of action', it is an opportunity to lobby Parliament to have the law improved.

I am quite familiar with some sections of the Food Standards Code but I had no idea there was such an oversight when it came to the proper labelling of food. When I finish this post I'll be writing to my local member seeking advice on how to best address this oversight.

>>You are gratuitously insulting to most people as you are in the small minority who do not care if an animal is GM, or why.<<

I am also in the small minority of people who do not care about interest rates, or why. Does that also make me gratuitously insulting to people who do? Is it really a 'gratuitous insult' to the majority just to hold an opinion that differs from their own?

I guess it is to hippies who want everyone to think exactly like they do: when people resist group-think and do their thinking for themselves it must be quite shocking and insulting to hippies that think we will all just fall into lockstep conformity at their decree.

Cheers,

Tony

Minus 30 points to Hufflepuff for dubious conclusions in herbology on the basis of scant evidence.

Cheers,

Tony

There is no evidence of damage or danger from consuming GM foods because virtually no credible, long term research has been done. We don't actually know one way or the other.

Farmed fish consume fish - so all fish farming does is convert less palatable fish to more palatable ones. No net gain in fish, which is worrying when we have depleted the oceans by 90%. The solution to food security doesn't lie in fish farming.

The scars of war do not vanish with the victory.
They linger on to poison the future.

Sailors on old warship dumped thousands of tons of radioactive waste for years
http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/veterans/the-atomic-sailors/2157927

"We turned off all the lights," George Albernaz testified at a 2005 Department of Veterans Affairs hearing, "and … pretend that we were broken down and … we would take these barrels and having only steel-toed shoes … no protection gear, and proceed to roll these barrels into the ocean, 300 barrels at a trip."

Not all of them sank. A few pushed back against the frothing ocean, bobbing in the waves like a drowning man. Then shots would ring out from a sailor with a rifle at the fantail. And the sea would claim the bullet-riddled drum.

Back inside the ship, Albernaz marked in his diary what the sailors dumped into the Atlantic Ocean. He knew he wasn't supposed to keep such a record, but it was important to Albernaz that people know he had spoken the truth, even when the truth sounded crazy.

For up to 15 years after World War II, the crew of Albernaz's ship, the USS Calhoun County, dumped thousands of tons of radioactive waste into the Atlantic Ocean, often without heeding the simplest health precautions, according to Navy documents and Tampa Bay Times interviews with more than 50 former crewmen.

cntinued..[from alex jones link..refuting frankenfied food]
[wed/thurs friday sunday/[havnt heard monday yet]..he has near made me vegan...[and i love my..meat..on the bone]

Federal Reserve 100 Years of Failure
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/12/22/federal-reserve-100-years-of-failure/

We all know or should all know that the Federal Reserve conspiracy is an ongoing theft syndicate.

The Fed is privately owned, and its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.

The actual purpose of the architects of the Federal Reserve System has never changed. Consolidate the control of money into a concealed cartel of banking houses that ultimately decide economic and political policy.

Dispensing of credit to corporatist projects, owned or run by reliable operatives of the cabal is the objective. The only beneficiaries are the original stockholders.

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peace..should be declared[decreed]..shortly
now is the time..to talk..revealyouir grievences
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are you..men enough for peace?
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are you/humane enough..to see without fear?

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