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What will the new managers really change? : Comments

By Nick Rose, published 19/11/2013

The fundamental goal of this government, however, is the same as the previous one: wring more 'productivity' out of working people and farmers, and exploit our natural resources more fully.

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This delightfully fruity post is typical of Nick Rose's very "alternate" thought patterns.

Unfortunately I don't have the disposition to appreciate his views without a generous helping of organically grown transcendental medication.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 8:18:03 AM
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As per usual, our first commenter wants to use ad hominem attack on the writer, rather than engage with his argument, which boils down to the unsustainable way in which our society, (and our economy), seems to be so obviously going.

I think Nick is quite right when he says we need to consider another path than continued growth to support the current "status quo". If we continue to pull more stuff out of the ground so we can make more stuff for everybody to buy, even though most of us do not really need more stuff, it may not really move us forward as a society.

We will have 9 billion souls on Mother Earth by 2050, a mere 37 years from now. Some say that that is the limit of what the planet will support. I agree with them. I do think we have to figure out how to move into our future at least discussing what paths will lead to optimal solutions for food sovereignty for all, fresh drinking water for all, and systems that support local communities in helping each other, like supporting local small businesses, small farmers, etc...

Yep, it is obvious that Nick and I are the lunatic fringe, the same one John Lennon spoke of, the dreamers. As Mr Lennon suggested, we all really just want to survive, and want to leave a viable planet for our children's children's children. Shame on us! We seem to be able to Imagine that, and recognise it is important.
Posted by kcbill13, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 9:21:53 AM
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Oh god, the fairies have escaped again.

kcbill13 if this is the answer, heaven knows what the question was.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 12:05:30 PM
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Without growth, we die out. If we got "back to basics", it would be only a short while before we were starving. A few odd bods want to live like cavemen and be "self-sufficient", but they still want the rest of us to provide them with health care and all the services they have become used to.

The old one about politicians appealing to 'racists and homophobes' is threadbare, too. If there are really as many of these people out there as the far Left claims, so what? Putting aside the whinging of people like this author, Australians are allowed to think and say whatever they like.

It's highly unlikely that any political party will respond to his "dare".
Posted by NeverTrustPoliticians, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 1:23:49 PM
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I am obviously a fan of the "fairies at the bottom of the garden" perspective.
In Truth and Reality almost every culture that has ever existed has understood that there are "fairies at the bottom of the garden" or that the natural world is full of magical nature spirits and subtle entities. And that for genuine human flourishing to occur human beings had to understand and cooperate with these magical beings and forces. The Celtic world of pre-Christian Europe was full of such an understanding. Despite efforts by the Christian churches to suppress this Celtic understanding it has always existed as an underground living tradition.

Put in another way nearly every culture was based on a shamanistic world-view.
It is only since the rise of the benighted power-and-control-seeking anti-magical world-view of scientism and its on the other side of the coin materialist twin Protestant Christian-ism (and all forms of reductionist exoteric religiosity) that such a magical consciousness has been actively and even aggressively suppressed.
This essay provides an interesting perspective of the now archaic, but still very real shamanistic world-view.
http://www.adidam.org/teaching/gnosticon/religion-scientism

From another perspective this essay is on a continuum with the essay by Wendell Berry titled The Idea of a Local Economy which was written in response to September 11. It is also congruent with the perspective promoted by these genuinely conservative (in the real sense) publications
http://www.resurgence.org
http://www.orionmagazine.org
The essay by Wendell Berry was originally published by Orion.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 4:31:21 PM
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That's all very well Ducky, but we do have to keep them in their place, at the bottom of the garden, with the gate securely locked.

Just like Gremlins, fairies do not have our best interests at heart, in fact, when tinged with green, they are a totally malevolent.

Even "good" fairies are only good for a very limited number of people.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 7:38:10 PM
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