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Climate change agnosticism, John Howard and some inconvenient truths : Comments

By Chas Keys, published 11/11/2013

For people of Howard's generation this scenario will not have to be faced, but if it occurs it may have severe impacts during the lifetimes of some people who are now with us.

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Luci, you don't get it; the case for AGW is yours; you have presented no evidence; your 400K graph with CO2 and temp used infamously by Gore has been repudiated:

http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/page/3057.aspx

Repudiation:

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/400000yrfig.htm

See also:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

Now present your evidence luci instead of declarations; for instance the relation between CO2 and temp over 800K years. Where's your evidence that CO2 is the driver of CO2?

And this:

"Explain why temperature has risen far more sharply, since 1970, than normal natural variation would predict."

Temps haven't risen more sharply since 1970:

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1895-1946_1957-2008_temperature-compare.png

Argue against that then we'll talk about temperature steps connected with the GPCS in 1976.
Posted by cohenite, Sunday, 17 November 2013 9:18:16 AM
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Luciferase

People who rely on cherry-picking junk science sites like WUWT are not amenable to reason.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 17 November 2013 11:02:26 AM
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There are signs that the link between economic growth and CO2 emissions is weakening.

From New Scientist 6 November 2013

First sign that humanity is slowing its carbon surge

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029422.800-first-sign-that-humanity-is-slowing-its-carbon-surge.html#.UogS-MRmim4

>>2012 may go down in history as a remarkable year. For the first time, the maddening pace of humanity's greenhouse gas emissions showed signs of a global slowdown.

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The data show that global carbon dioxide emissions rose by 1.4 per cent in 2012. ...compared with an average of 2.9 per cent since 2000.

Importantly, the emissions rise is considerably less than the increase in global GDP of 3.5 per cent. "We see a decoupling of CO2 emissions from global economic growth," …

[...]

What is behind the slowdown? In most countries, the biggest factors are measures to boost energy efficiency, …

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And cutting coal out of the mix is vital, adds Janssens-Maenhout. Burning natural gas instead results in half the CO2 emissions. ...
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...China is on target to reduce emissions per dollar of economic output by between 40 and 45 per cent between 2005 and 2020. ….

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…This year, China began working with the US on measures to fight climate change. ….

"The Chinese are becoming more energy efficient and developing renewables," says Niklas Höhne of energy analysis group Ecofys in Utrecht, the Netherlands. "One reason is to combat smogs from burning coal."

China has been vilified for building two new coal-fired power stations every week. That's now down to one, says Gambhir. With old plants being retired, the government plans to stop further increases in coal capacity as part of its targets to control energy consumption.

In place of coal come gas, hydro- and nuclear power. Almost half of the 67 nuclear power plants under construction are in China, and the country is also building hydroelectric facilities at a vast pace. Half of the 39 per cent global growth in hydroelectric capacity in the past decade comes from the country.>>

Some good news on the climate front for a change
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 17 November 2013 11:07:46 AM
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While efficiencies in energy are welcome any impetus provided by AGW to energy replacement will inevitably result in inefficiencies simply because renewables are compulsory according to the prevailing Green ideology.

China is not going to use less coal; I wrote this piece in 2011; it still holds true:

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/03/the-silent-giant-coal-monster/

China is held up by renewable aficionados like steve but its investment in UltraSuperCritical coal burning technology puts a lie to that dream:

http://papundits.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/co2-emissions-reduction-a-radical-plan/

As for Hydro, the greenies will simply not allow any extra dams to be built.

You are not an honest broker steve when you suggest these and nuclear knowing full well Green ideology will oppose them; there is no good news about anything as long as Green ideology holds sway.
Posted by cohenite, Sunday, 17 November 2013 5:28:48 PM
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global
Nice website, just dial-up the cherries.
Posted by Luciferase, Sunday, 17 November 2013 6:13:49 PM
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