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Climate change agnosticism, John Howard and some inconvenient truths : Comments

By Chas Keys, published 11/11/2013

For people of Howard's generation this scenario will not have to be faced, but if it occurs it may have severe impacts during the lifetimes of some people who are now with us.

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Luci says: “I'm waiting for one of them to explain the marriage between CO2 concentration and surface air temperature over the last 800,000 years (and most probably much longer) and why we should expect a divorce at this juncture in human history.”

Co2 and temperature post 1998, the highest temperature of the modern era

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1998/offset:-347/scale:0.008/trend/plot/rss/from:1998/trend

CO2 and temperature from 1959, when AGW supposedly accelerated:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/mean:12/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1959/mean:12/offset:300

CO2 and temperature over the 20thC:

http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Bastardi-CO2Temp.gif

CO2 and temperature since 1659 based on the longest thermometer record, CET:

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/tbrown_figure3.png

CO2 and temperature over the last 25 million years:

http://s90.photobucket.com/user/dhm1353/media/Neogene.png.html

CO2 and temperature over geologic time:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1644060/posts

The CO2 and temperature graph used by such frauds as Gore to promote the ‘connection’ between CO2 and temperature is this one:

http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/page/3057.aspx

This graph is a trap to the untrained or biased eye and is analysed here to show that there is no connection between CO2 and temperature:

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2,Temperaturesandiceages-f.pdf

What a dope.

“Capiche” and “AGW is real. Deal with it and move on” declares steve.

Dopier

There are 2 measures of sea ice in the Arctic, extent and area; there is no ‘mass’:

http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic

Arctic temperatures according to RSS:

http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/rss-satellite-data-shows-no-arctic.html

That would explain why C&W used UAH.

And there’s Poirot arguing about satellites when I have given her chapter and verse links to her bible the IPCC which uses the pre-AGW satellite data.

Dopiest.
Posted by cohenite, Friday, 15 November 2013 10:00:56 PM
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cohenite,

Sorry I can't match your impressive array of links : )

Here's something to chew on:

http://climatecrocks.com/2013/09/09/another-year-another-sea-ice-recovery/

Check out the "Arctic Escalator".

You'll like the bit that explains "How 'Skeptics' view sea ice decline".
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 15 November 2013 10:32:55 PM
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cohenite,

explain why the marriage between Temp and CO2 Conc'n, http://simpleclimate.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/edc.jpg , will end in divorce, or are you just a little over-excited about a recent slowdown?

Furthermore, it's your responsibility to provide an explanation for forcing that reproduces the temperature record over the last 800,000 years, so do it. Until you do, we must exercise the precautionary principle on behalf of our children, not fly kites.

Explain why Arctic ice extent is a better measure of the amount of Arctic ice than its volume.

I'll look at anything in a peer-reviewed, credible publication, if that helps. None of this WUWT and plagiarism therefrom.
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 16 November 2013 3:06:36 AM
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@ Poirot,

<<I was under the impression that 1979 was when the satellite record began.>>
Easy. So if it's so limited, don't hold it up as some definitive proof!

<<Educate me, cohenite.>>
You can only educate someone willing of learn. Across the board --on a range of issues--you have shown yourself to be locked into your narrow views.
Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 16 November 2013 6:12:50 AM
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Luci says: "Furthermore, it's your responsibility to provide an explanation for forcing that reproduces the temperature record over the last 800,000 years, so do it."

No kidlet, you're the AGW groupie, you prove it; read this first:

http://www.pnas.org/content/99/7/4167.full

Then read this:

http://vixra.org/pdf/1108.0032v1.pdf

It's the Sun stupid.

Arctic ice:

http://bprc.osu.edu/geo/publications/mckay_etal_CJES_08.pdf

http://www.the-cryosphere.net/6/1231/2012/tc-6-1231-2012.pdf

http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/arcticice-1.gif.html?sort=3&o=92

Arctic temperature over the 20thC:

http://users.tpg.com.au/johnsay1/Stuff/Arctic_1.jpg
Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 16 November 2013 9:02:10 AM
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I've got CO2, you've got kites and lead balloons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjfMBUHJS9c

Sorry, you'll have to do better. My case is supported by peer-reviewed climate science, to which you have access, and you are also able to read the rebuttals of your position online with accompanying links to credible peer-reviewed journals.

You must account for the temperature record of the last 800000 years with a supported alternative hypothesis published in a credible peer- reviewed journal.

Explain why temperature has risen far more sharply, since 1970, than normal natural variation would predict. Also, explain why we should expect that a decoupling of the Temperature/CO2 concentration linkage of the last 800000 years to happen now.

You skipped the ice/extent/volume question.
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 16 November 2013 4:39:18 PM
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