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Ludwig,

Regarding Hasbeen's take on sustainable energy, here's an interesting article based on Hockey's assertion that:

"Most of the countries around the world are moving in favour of Direct Action" and "not proceeding with emissions trading schemes or market based mechanisms".

.......which was found to be "False".

http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/nov/01/joe-hockey/hockey-says-most-countries-moving-toward-direct-ac/

Agronomist you can't get away from the clear meaning of the words in the newspaper report by talking about genes and cancer. You've badly misrepresented Marohasy and you should admit it and move on.

The issue with interannual variability isn't to do with colder temperatures being less likely as global temperature increases, which is a no-brainer, but that the standard deviation in earlier years this century was much larger than in more recent years. In other words, the spread between the higher and lower years was larger.

But the other issue is that it is quite possible for the temperature to increase while global temperature hasn't because of shifts in weather patterns, in which case the high temperatures might have very little to do with global warming at all.

Graham,

I've posted this a number of times on the forum, but it's relevant here:

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2012/20120803_DicePopSci.pdf

The climate dice, natural variability (extremely hot outliers defined as anomalies) vs global warming, using real world data.

You might find it interesting.

Poirot, Poirot, are you ever going to read anything but propaganda?

Repeating this same old completely discredited stuff is a waste of time.

If you are serious, go read the IPCC new report. Not the guide for policy, that was written by the politicians, & bears little resemblance to the science, but the real report.

If you actually read some real stuff, even the IPCC real stuff, you could not continue with the garbage your propaganda sites keep feeding you & others.

Hasbeen

Like this you mean?

http://www.ipcc.ch/news_and_events/docs/ar5/ar5_wg1_headlines.pdf

Here's a little more on the warming of the Greenland Sea.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-02/deep-greenland-sea-is-warming-ten-times-faster-than-global-ocean/5065856

Not withstanding that your particular type of "swaggering" denial is most entertaining.

You would know all about the Antarctic sea ice then wouldn't you? I'm still waiting for the warmist spin that will explain the one million square kilometers more than the average since satellite observation.

Increasing at 4% a year, due to exceptionally cold conditions these many years.

Yes a cherry, but 2 can play the same game, & it is easier for me. Lots more cherries on my side of the argument. The warmists have not been able to come up with anything to support their bull for years.