Will our masters be first to volunteer to relieve this planet of excess humanity,the ones they refer to as "the useless eaters"
Arjay,
The useless eaters are programmed to committing slow suicide AFTER saturation breeding.
Watch TV on weekends & see them amusing themselves.

@ Jardine K. Jardine,

I too agree pretty much on your take but perhaps now add this to your thinking.

Evidence of substance indicates overfishing is not really the cause of world fish devastation.
Humans see fishing boats at work and stocks collapsing but what humans are not seeing is nutrient pollution feeding algae that is destroying seagrass food web nurseries that are supposed to supply bigger fish with food.
Most animals fail to reproduce if adequate food is not available.

A bottom line problem is human intent not to see need to act on marine animal starvation. There is failure to manage to ocean ecosystems.

By the way, I do not want to sound like I am anti ABC or anti media because I am not, I savvy there are a lot of good people in there, just like there are at the UN. But the selfish and self- interested seem to pull the strings.

I think many people understand the Aus ABC and other major media are spinning tales about CO2. Similar incomplete science claim with spin is happening with media blaming overfishing.
Of course fishing has impact but it is not the cause.
The cause in effect is ocean ecosystem management not being put in place.

If solutions to ocean ecosystem damage were underway, substantial new business and absolutely significant employment would be underway as well, with more to follow in order to sustain AFFORDABLE food and fertilizer supply on this rare planet.

Understanding of the over-all relevant situation/s, indicates just how much business and employment could occur.
Prosperity and peace that contented people enjoy would occur.
Peace between people and nations would more likely occur.

OK let’s say the UN is corrupted. But same would occur with any new world authority.
Cost of setting up a new authority would be massive.
I think it might be best to use law to rid the wrong at the UN and at home.

@ individual,

The “useless eaters” are consumers that the economy needs in order to function. They even consume entertainment on weekends.

Don't be so silly JF Aus.

Throughout history, once a people have succeeded in the struggle to feed themselves, & have food to spare, they immediately use it to go off & conquer someone else.

People are programed to fill their food store against lean times, & once their existing store is full, to go build a bigger one.

Hasbeen,
Throughout history both the land and the oceans have never been as empty of food for humans as they are right now.
Never has there been a human population of 7 billion to feed with essential protein, daily.

“Fill their food store” with what, at what cost?
Middle East people say strife there is really about being hungry with not enough money to buy food.

Previously through history free wildlife has been there for the taking, generally speaking not any more.

Hunger breeds irritability, argument, civil unrest. Fat cat’s don’t seem to know about that or have forgotten.
People are going to war ANYWAY to get what they need to survive, plus whatever else some can get - like control of a country.

So what do you suggest, Hasbeen?
Should we all just forget about what is happening and not try to get solutions happening, do nothing?

"OK let’s say the UN is corrupted. But same would occur with any new world authority.
Cost of setting up a new authority would be massive."

You seem to be assuming that the solution is a "world authority", or other political means.

But of course the UN was never set up to manage fish stocks in the first place, was it?

My point is that there is intrinsically nothing about the UN that makes it suitable for the purpose. If I were to suggest that we should get the local soccer club, or the bridge club, or a bikie gang, to manage the world's fish stocks, you would immediately recognise that that particular collectivity is not fit for the purpose.

But mention government - or in this case a collectivity of governments - and all of a sudden we enter this logic-free zone where people project onto it anything they wish, even if
a) governments are causing the problem in the first place
b) there is intrinsically nothing about government that makes it suitable for the purpose
c) any governmental approach sets up intractable vested interests, and causes unintended consequences and social problems that are very difficult to solve.

It is not okay to assume that governments can allocate scarce resources to their most valued ends, which is the essential economic fallacy you assume. Governments do not have the knowledge, the capacity, or the selflessness to do it.

While ever fisheries remain common property, we will reap the tragedy of the commons from the continuance of fish socialism. The question is how to end it.

Elizabeth
At what stage, short of shooting people, do you renounce the use of aggressive violence to enforce the gender policies you advocate?

@ Jardine K. Jardine,
Solutions to world seafood devastation have to involve a world authority because oceans/ocean of the world are a world responsibility.

The UN is supposed to manage world food supply, via the FAO. Supply is linked for example to essential fishmeal and fertilizer, fish oil, guano.
I am, not talking about managing fish stocks, the key requirement if to manage ocean food web ecosystems that government fisheries agencies and the UN do not presently manage.
Australia could come forward with a proposal for such management and that would strengthen UN policy and achievements.

The UN is obviously not a local club, it is though obviously an international organization, and one that is already set up, and it already has a storehouse of relevant data/evidence not being yet put to use.

The cause of the problem could be said to be bigotry, ego, greed, stupidy, or fact it’s only 2013 and not 2050. Why blame government when it is media that is failing to communicate the ongoing series of incidents that indicate devastated fish stocks. The www is even being edited of evidence, such as news reports that led up to the point where “colin the whale” being put down. A few Youtube records remain. And the true likely situation remains hidden, that the abandoned nuzzling humpback whale calf was seeking to be fed and was not in a panic situation stranded on a beach.

Continued next post……..