JF Aus
You are displaying the complete misunderstanding which can be the only basis for supporting the UN.

"information a proper originally intended functional UN would require."

Just *think* for a sec. What information would that be? Give us the exhaustive list.

You don't realise what a clanger you're dropping in your suggestion that, if only coercive central planners had enough knowledge, they would be able to optimise the allocation of scarce resources to their most valued social ends. It is a statement in a nutshell of why socialism killed 100 million people where it was tried.

"Farmers ... are not being informed about the real future and therefore real value of their land and industry."

And the UN, of all things - an unrepresentative cartel of criminal protection rackets - is going to supply information about the "real value" of "land and industry"? You don't realise what a fool you're making of yourself.

Tell you what ... never mind the UN - why don't you tell us what is the "real value" of "land and industry"?

"The ABC should be the media communicating problems in order to find relevant solutions."

And surprise surprise, the ABC - a government broadcasting service - just happens to be failing to do what it should be. So that's your reason why governments should be given even more power?

"Aus farmers also sometimes need subsidies in order to compete with subsidized food coming into Australia from overseas..."
Why?

"A good example, the FIRB does not possess criteria to understand fish protein supply links to foreign buy up of the Aus export beef industry, dairy industry too."
So government needs to have an understanding of all chemical reactions in the world to carry out their mission of total control of everything?

You see there’s simple ignorance, compound ignorance, and culpable criminal ignorance. You and Elizabeth Shaw are displaying the third.

The fact you honestly believe in the UN is no excuse, because your belief system has already been demonstrated to be genocidal.

You cannot solve economic problems by economic illiteracy backed by lethal force.

Maurice Strong is a billionaire and ex-secretary of the UN. Maurice wants to see the world's population reduced by 90%,as with many of our other financial oligarchs.

Will our masters be first to volunteer to relieve this planet of excess humanity,the ones they refer to as "the useless eaters"?

Jardine K,

The UN should be aware southern hemisphere ocean food stocks are now seriously devastated and that when you join that situation with alrweady known devastation of northern hemisphere fish stocks it becomes a worldwide situation with unprecedented impacts and consequences that require solutions.

The UN is supposed to be about uniting nations but how is that possible with various nations becoming desperate. For example Somalia began their seafaring violence by trying to chase foreign fishing poachers away and then turned to piracy and lawlessness on land.
Food riots are occurring elsewhere and there is more to come.
Middle East people are hungry because available food costs too much. What do you pay [per kilo for fresh fish Jarsdine K? Yesterday I saw quality Aus rump steak at a butchers for $39 per one kg.

Yes, Aus farmers are not being informed of the shortfall in world protein due to devastation of world ocean seafood. Aus farmers should be increasing the national herd instead of selling out for a pittance.
This is the time Aus farmers should be gearing up to meet increased international demand for essential protein.
Are you Jardine K aware of that situation? Have you been informed about that situation by ABC news?

The whole world ocean is now nearly empty of seafood compared to what used to be there. Nat Geo report 90% of big fish already gone. What do you Jardine K think that situation does to the value of limited arable protein producing land?

The FIRB factor is that supply and demand influences should be known by Aus people in order to manage land value and industry assets. The FIRB told mne they possessed no criteria to understand ocean protein and beef supply and demand links. Close the fish shop and where Jardine K do you think consumers will go for alternative protein?

Continued next post or when quota permits…….

@ Jardine K. continued……….

Aus appears full of crooks like some people say the UN is.
Example, political planners seem to have taken my early 80’s warning of ocean fish devastation info to create aquaculture policy and other alternative white meat production for their cronies.
UN crooks, blimey, what about the crooks milking public money for CO2 nonsense, tax and energy inflation and all? WHAT IS THE ABC SAYING ABOUT THAT?
The ABC is even promoting emissions, crooks here right in front of you. Have you not seen the steam coming from the water cooling towers, while news film dialogue is about carbon emissions?

As for the planners, what a dangerous mess they are making. Right now there are 400,000 egg layers at one farm with bird flu, another one also nearby. Even feed for aquaculture is being imported while antibiotics drive away overcrowding disease.
Antibiotic resistance comes to mind, in cheap milk too re mastitis.
And more factory farming, small farmers forced out. We did it, do it, not the UN.

Genuine Aus farmers need subsidies sometimes so they can compete and remain viable and in business, instead of uprooting trees and ploughing crops or dumping unsold produce.
There are a billion and more underfed people that are potential customers but out politicians go to cricket, bike riding, swimming, budgie smuggling and posing for the media for self-interest political propaganda.
Which politician went to volunteer at a CWA or Salvation Army function?
No time to discuss real issues. Criminal negligence do you think?
Far right and far left policy is not good policy in my opinion.
Whatever happened to Malcolm Fraser and Ralph Hunt type of caring people? Labor had a few decent ones too.

I think the criminal ignorance involves those who know of collapsing world food sustainability but do not want it seen, keep the public and farmers ignorant instead, buy up what they can on the cheap.

I like to believe the UN system can be strengthened to be more like it was first intended to be.

JF Aus
We agree on pretty much your whole take on it except the idea that the UN - of all things - is any kind of hope of any kind of solution but even more corruption and waste.

What's causing the dearth of fish stocks is the tragedy of the commons.

At first, the whole world was unowned, and there was enough for everyone because the population was so small, and the untrammeled extent of the world so large. But as resources become scarce, the only rational way to rationalise them to their competing uses without resorting to aggressive violence, is by way of private property.

If private property in land had never developed, we would not now be able to support but a fraction of the population that is supported. And if we went from private land ownership back to common ownership, thousands of millions of people would die of starvation. That's why tens of millions died as soon as private ownership was abnegated under socialism in the 20th century. What is called "socialisation" is only trying to rationalise scarce resources by resorting to aggressive violence, that is all. In reality it's anti-social.

What is stopping the fish stocks from being conserved is the fact that they are held in commons; and what is stopping them from being appropriated into private property - the civilising process - is *States* - territorial monopolists of aggression, monopolising the ownership and preventing homesteading.

The problem you are considering is caused by too much socialisation of resources. The UN is exactly the wrong direction to be going in for a solution, which is, seasteading - private property in marine and oceanic fisheries in civil disobedience of the States causing the problem.

"Australia should work to strengthen UN".. Balderdash Crapola.
Australia should run as far away fro the United Nations as we can get.
Corruption, greed and more corruption they have it all.