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My issue with local government : Comments

By Brent Fleeton, published 23/10/2013

The more important issue we ought to be discussing is how to address the drastic overreach by local governments.

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.....on the dole, the fine is exorbitant.
halduell,
Quite some time back I advocated on several threads that fines should not be a set amount, they should reflect a percentage of earnings. A $144.- fine for an unemployed is astronomical whereas for a Lawyer or Doctor or some other high earner it is merely something to joke about. I have always believed that a fine can only imact fairly if it is a percentage of one's income. Let's say a speeding fine is issued for being 10 km over the limit. The driver is unemployed & his allowance is $300/month. I say fine him 10 %. A Professional who earns 30,000/month pays a fine of 10%. Both are hit with a fine without severe hardship imposed & the Authorities get their money. After all, isn't it all about fairness & safety ?
Posted by individual, Thursday, 24 October 2013 6:51:05 AM
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yes individual..raises a good,,point,,but lets expand on it

i..used to use my auto..about two tanks worth of driving
[mainly to..put in..the dole form..

for this benefit..i had to pay full-third party bog standard Compulsory..3rd party insurance..thats the same..regardless of im only on the..little bit of road..max 10 hours per year...

or like many others 10 hours per day[just getting gto their job
we ALL..pay the same[well govt cut me of completely..but a few years ago

and.yes no/money..means now..instead of paying..pensioner rate rego[under say 500..to fines totaling one and one
half THOUSAND

no 3rd party..FINE was 500
[despite..insurance being less..plus if i wanted to ever drive again..i would need pay the fine..PLUS the rego

[plus spurs deregesterd the vehicle previously..
yet whe,police searched..they found it 'on.the regester..yet still fined 500[only/because i..was..on/the register

see when..you register..your saying..this =- a vehicle..under the transportation ac[ie an act to control commerce]..only enforceable..upon..those seeing advantage..by applying[apply means beg]..begged for permission to do..trade..to do this you must first create a paper fiction..[called a person/under the act]

thes legal persons..isnt/you..but all the id.forms etc..that govts..create..their power begins and ends..in the realm of paper

the only lawful tender shall be coin
[federal/constitution/sec51]..but they wouldnt take payment..in coin[thus violate their own warrent]..=high treason

further..they have DEBASED,,the queens coin
STOLEN..the gold/silver/copper FROM..hjrh COIN

debased*,,her face
HIGH TREASON..but the lies..go on

for other un-payed fines..[unpayable/
as..i..only hold lawful tender[in-coin]

before suspending my license.for life..
[by spers..not..even by a majistraight..nor any faux court]...
plus locked me up..[all for the same thing...but divided into5 fines[when..for the price..of one ALONE..would hav.. seen the car regesterd in..the first..place[better..on-top/of fuel]..

4 fold..the cost..of doing..'the legal..BUT..unlawful/things]
see..little known[forgotten],,is a/court judgment..CREATES..the full complet settlement[way/plus..means]..it creates the payment!,,[in-ful]

[the court-order..is the value/
it..creates,,the bond..ya..know govt bonds..
these are court orded bonds..that settle accounts..but by deciete[power][educated lawyers wanting/us bound..hand foot eyes/ears..and mouth..

once it..is signed=its..payed in-full
[its..an in house governance..accounting/settlement means[privilege]

so why..they need our fines..fees levies..ON TOP?
my power bill..was 53dollars..MORE THAN HALF..OF THAT..was gst/fees service/access line..maintenance.fees charges..levies what..ever..else they..could tack..onto the bill
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 24 October 2013 8:00:32 AM
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AGAIN..a bill=the same as a bond..=the means of lawful settlement
it rightfully becomes the full payment..[offer/acceptance]=settlement

sign..it and its payed in-full[via treasury]
[it became money..when we signed it..[look at a bank note..SEE ITS SIGNED..same same

by signing it..in a box..
[with words to the affect..of
recognized as the value[r4v]..plus your birthing details

of course only lawful persons can do this
[its because way back..intime bankers
BOUGHT-UP..GOVT WAR BONDS..then..DEMANDED..immediate repayment[ie 20years of intrest was foregone..infavour of demanding..IT ALLIN GOLD?SILVER COIN

govbt triued seizing back gold..but innthe end
bankers got the fed[treasury house of settlements]..PLUS looted the treasure[silver coppert gold]..now want todrop coins alltogether[soonkids wont evennknow coin[let alone refuse toeventake them

but today..our pennies=equals yesterdays pounds
[that what the bankers really done[inflated..the values[of fiat paper]
till the only absurdity remains..the cheap.nickle..coin[who's metal..value alone is OVER..the face]..recall we 'lost'..our one cent/two cent-pieces..cause..the copper in them..cost 5 cents

return..back to us..all cash money..we sent in by mistake
we were dumbed down deliberatly..we didnt know [wrent told]..the order/creates the bill..[which under the terms of bankruptcy]=the payment in full

see police before they became cops had the powers of sherrif
WHO.CAN..issue/sign..bills into settlement..so how IT..WAS supposed to work=..is..cop pulls you over..sees say you need new tires..cause they make the vehicle..a PUBLIC DANGER..so/he issues the order..you..take the order..

and get the new tires..done
when you receive them..you sign the order r4v
business dude counter signs it to his bank..bank counter signs it..and treasury orders fed to issue final credit..in to the bank account

but thieves stole OUR FED..looted the treasury
[thats why we need issue bills[its..the only proved way of balancing og the value..actually delivered/recieved
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 24 October 2013 8:01:04 AM
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"My solution? Dismiss this travesty of democracy; remove local councils altogether;"

Actually I would agree with this, we could then split them up into smaller states, so there were several in each of the older, bigger, states. We could call each of these smaller states, councils... no, there might be some stigma there, same with the word State. So lets use Cantons, after the Swiss model. Centralising power never works, so take some of the power of the Feds and hand it to the Cantons.

Interesting note, the City of Brisbane has higher revenues than Tasmania.
Posted by Valley Guy, Thursday, 24 October 2013 3:58:10 PM
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